If you’ve been a regular, you’ll notice that I took down the last two posts on the subject of Jim Bock and the Sponsorship Group in Chatham, NJ. I want to be clear that the episode detailed in those posts did not drive us to close the blog, so I’m going to tell the story again with more clarity.
There is someone leaving comments on forums around the internet about someone named Jim Bock who runs the Sponsorship Group in Chatham, New Jersey. They’re hit-n-run cut/paste comments that look like this:
One of the all time most pathetic and dangerous AA groups ever is based out of Chatham NJ. They are called the Sponsorship Group and their leader is Jim B.
Dictator Jim B. and his disciples have been ruining the lives of young women since at least 2000. To call what they do “13th Stepping” would be a compliment. Imagine a group of people with no medical or psyciatric training that tell people how and why they need to stop taking necessary medication! It’s a disgrace. People have suffered and in some cases are dead as a direct result of this groups actions!
Jim B. and his disciples at the Sponsorship Group all have SG tatoo on their wrists and live by the rules of Jim B. He takes advatage of people who are in need of help. He should be charged with mental abuse and should have to register as a sex offender. He will experience KARMA soon.
A few of these comments appeared here (using the full last name), buried in the discussion section of random posts, and they were not on my radar.
So, last week, I received an email from Jim Bock that looked like this: Continue reading The Jim B. Episode, Revised and Expanded
Richard Dreyfuss delivered the keynote address for the Oklahoma Outreach Foundation, where he offered up a some of the standard Sobriety Woo, but ended his speech with this grand heresy, which I dedicate to the new incarnation of JD:
Expressing a desire that his keynote would make the audience think, Dreyfuss encouraged recent graduates of Mission Academy to reach beyond sobriety.
“Remember, sobriety is a fabulous goal, but is it better to be a sober wife beater than a man who drinks occasionally and loves his family?” he said. “You have (graduated from) a sober high school, I commend you. I truly commend you. But as you grow up, you’ll find that what also counts is good acts and moral behavior and being kind and patient and being a loving parent and husband.”
No one today says a child molester can be reformed. A generation ago every expert said they could.
There is a lesson here. Everybody but us is required to say that they can look at a black guy with a white girl and not even notice. If one can really convince oneself of that, one can also convince oneself that NAMBLA is right, and that men having sex with boys is so Ok it is not noticeable.
If you can REALLY do these things, just ONCE, is there ever any coming back?
We accept recovering alcoholics, but only if they are absolutely, unreservedly aware, every day of the week, that there is something WRONG with them. That is the ONLY route to recovery, and there is no guarantee of that one.
The same inhumanly difficulty exists in the case of those who are ever truly unoffended by the couple which will produce ugly mixes.
We all know that Tiger Woods would have nothing to do with a girl who looked like the daughter he and his beautiful Swedish bride will produce. We all know that OJ would have nothing to do with a girl who looked like the daughter he and his blond wife produced….
Bob Whitaker, an AA. Commenting on the White Pride World Wide forum.
AA Troll Self-report 4 Point Questionnaire
Guidelines: When answering remember that a “prospect” for Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is someone that you think may be an Alcoholic, but you aren’t sure. Only circle the best answer and only one.
A. When you meet someone new do you?
- Become their friend.
- Immediately identify them as a prospect for AA.
- “When you discover a prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out all you can about him.” BB p.90, Working With Others
- “If there is any indication that he wants to stop, have a good talk with the person most interested in him — usually his wife.” BB p.90, Working With Others
- Items 2,3 and 4.
B. When you find a prospect for AA do you?
- Become their friend and nothing else.
- Invite them to meet your home group.
- Recommend Al-Anon to the spouse and/or Alateen to the children.
- “Continue to speak of alcoholism as an illness, a fatal malady.” BB p.92, Working With Others
- Items 2,3 and 4.
C. When a prospect resists indoctrination into the faith of Bill Wilson do you?
- Just be their friend with no strings attached.
- “We find it a waste of time to keep chasing a man who cannot or will not work with you.” BB p.96, Working With Others
- “Approach through a doctor or an institution is a better bet.” BB p.91, Working With Others
- “If your man needs hospitalization, he should have it, but not forcibly unless he is violent.” BB p.91, Working With Others
- Items 2,3 and 4.
D. When a prospect is having trouble with family life do you?
- Tell them to spend more time with their family and work it out.
- Tell them to go to more AA meetings where their family is not present.
- Replace their family with the family of the home group.
- Make sure they spend ALL holidays and weekends at AA sponsored events.
- Items 2,3 and 4.
Scoring: Count up the circled answers above and apply to the scale below.
- 5 – No narcissistic Bill Wilson infection detected.
- 5-10 – Slight infection but still treatable.
- 10-15 – Needs a 90 meetings in 90 days booster shot.
- 15-20 – Intergroup management material. Will make an excellent Sober House Slum Lord or Addictions councilor.
A Life Gone Awry: My Story of the Elan School, is now available on Amazon. I have not read the whole book, but I have skimmed over the parts that reference one of our resident trolls, Danny Bennison (aka; Diablo/Cuggle/Quagmire/Claude). Currently, he’s cyber-stalking some of our readers, and is taking up residence with two other AA stooges and ST trolls, Mondotuna and A.A. Alfie, over at the JREF forum. They’re just like the Three Amigos, if the Three Amigos suffered from delusion and sociopathy.
This must be a proud moment in Danny’s career. It’s one thing to gain recognition as an assclown on internet blogs and forums, but quite another to have a book written about him, chronicling his real-life victimization of vulnerable teenagers. Congratulations, Danny!
I always get a chuckle at the various forms of mind-bending responses when a newly indoctrinated stepper starts to realize that they are being asked to acquiesce to believing in God, while at that same time being told that AA is not a religious program. I thought the answers to this question over at Sober Recovery were particularly entertaining. Specifically, this post by “RufusACanal” (20 years sober! yea, Rufus!), who scored a full 10 out 10 in passive-aggressiveness:
I struggle some days with God, mostly because I am power hungry. Today, at this moment I do not. I see His results, because I look for His work rather than mine. Keeping it simple, could I have stayed sober these last five plus years via my own will? No. I am a real Alcoholic and there is no human way I could have relieved my malady, I tried for twenty six long and painful years and failed utterly. AA has never been the problem for me, God has never been the problem for me, I have been the problem for me. When I take my petty and insignificant wishes out of the picture, I can see clearly the hand of God and I believe.
If not God then who, you?
Best to you in your journey.
There were a couple of honest responses from Robb B and bugsworth, but the rest of it takes the reader deep into the rabbit hole of AA lunacy.
Guess who crawled out of his troll hole! Yep. Just when you think you’re rid of him, he’s back, and he’s going viral. Like a scorching case of herpes. Be careful if you’re linked in any way to this blog. He’s in stalking mode. This is a fairly innocuous and ridiculous comment he made the other day at Scientific American. If you see him around, make sure you tell him “howdy.”:
“Bankole comes out of the woodwork when celebrities get into trouble behind their drinking.
Because he’s paid by pharma companies to develop meds for alcoholism you can expect he’d pump that approach at every opportunity.
I imagine if he ever finds one that works it’s likely that he’ll go ahead and say something about it. In the meantime all he can give is generalities that meds are a great way to go for alcoholism.
The next time the interviewing reporter hears that meds work really well and are evidence based treatment, perhaps the reporter will ask to be shown the evidence that these meds are working as well as BJ and his pharma buddies want us to believe.
Next time, maybe.”
JD, Cabledude, Mondotuna, Jerry, Mr Guestperson. An AA and troll. Commenting in Scientific American.
OK, kiddos. It’s time to put those brain cells you’ve managed to retain to use. Yesterday, we received a comment that got caught in our troll trap, under the name “Banjomansband.” Rather than let it sluice through, we thought it would be fun to make a contest of it, in a “Guess the Troll” contest. [Hint: It's someone we know and lub.]
It’s not enough to just guess the name. Please show your work. Entrants are judged by use of logic, wit and deliciousness; with bonus points awarded to whoever can explain to us the actual point this guy is trying to make:
“We have check the link out MA and find it ridiculous. Why you would want to print such rubbish is beyond us.
Yes it is several people having a say here. A couple of us post on JREF’s this is where we first heard of you. You post under a another name, why, are you hiding something.
Seems you keep pulling this disgusting stunt every time he posts on a site you or ftg posted on.
It seems he doesn’t like you and what you stand for so he takes the fight to you directly, what a concept. You folks do it here everyday. You jump into blogs, sites, newspapers ect…pull out what you want and post it here including people faces. You did this with Alfie, right. So when it is done to you, you fight back dirty.
Now your after Alfie to look at this link, well we suggest he does, please get it over with. Anything to stop you from soapboxing this link.
We don’t know this guy really and probably won’t but it seems low down that you would pull this shit and call yourselves respectable.
“[Addi]cts and alcoholics in recovery are some of the very best human beings i have ever met. i figure we may be God’s chosen people. after all, everyone has the bible but not everyone has the other big book which i truly believe was directly given to us by divine intervention so thanks, God!”
“itsmylife,” an AA, commenting in the Daily Strength forum.
[Check out "tinygecko" in this same thread. She's a real sweetheart, and happens to be JD/Mondotuna's Eva Braun. No wonder those two hooked up.]
“…have no respect for those who make a living out of taking newcomers through our steps at a price…may all of their cancers arrive soon and be especially virulent. hope [sic] wherever Mark is now, he is spending newcomer’s money wisely.”
- Cabledude/JD/Mondotuna. An AA and troll at this blog, host of the now private “Recovery First” delphi forum; member of AA Mollys UK forum. Commenting here on the death of Mark Houston, who ran a treatment centre and died last year of cancer.
“We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows.”
- The sixth promise of Alcoholics Anonymous