Posts tagged heresy

Quote of the Day

“You absolutely can be a pagan, Asatru, wiccan. hedgie or trad and be in AA, following the Steps and principles and traditions. It just takes a smidge of modification (in your mind) when you hear others speak. A God/dess of your understanding. Any Higher Power that takes you to that fine edge of ecstacy when youre in communion with him/her/it. It’s all about where you choose to place your faith and/or trust.”

– Wren, an AA at the Miracles in Progress forum.

Fundiemental Gymnastics

Our friend, John, writes the My Word Like Fire blog. He’s thinks we’re going to Hell, but he’s a good guy. I don’t often agree with what him or the readers of his blog, but this quote below seems to make a lot of sense:

“Wendy, You are so right. Satan is cunning, baffling and powerful. This is my second time commenting as an ex-AA member like yourself. Once I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and was re-born in the Spirit, I almost immediately could not attend AA meetings. The Lord revealed to me that I was in an extremely dangerous place…

One last note on the cunningness of Satan. I was in a local Christian book store and checked out the Recovery Bible – New Living Translation, just for the heck of it. I was shocked; Satan has slithered into that book! It references the twelve steps exactly as in AA with the “god of your understanding” and “higher power”. It also recommends AA. Obviously there is a collaboration between AA and the publishers of that Pantheistic “b”ible (small “b”. The word of Satan masquerading as the Word of God! He is the great deceiver and forger!”

– Gail, a fundamentalist Christian commenting on the My Word Like Fire blog.

I think we should put Gail and Dick B. in a ring for a winner-take-all cage match.

The Anti-Religion Religion

One of our readers, Dan, wrote the following in our comment section. We thought it was good summary of the religion of AA. With his permission, we decided to post it as blog entry:


AA dogma on the Second Step is primarily contained in the Twelve & Twelve where the theme is transcendence from atheism, agnosticism, AND the religion of the Bible to a supposedly higher-level spirituality based on AAs precepts and practice. Any sop toward organized religion in the texts or heard at meetings is strictly a rhetorical ploy which will be dismissed with in short order during every newcomer’s formal indoctrination at the feet of a watchful adept, his sponsor. A newcomer will rarely question the religious beliefs of his new sponsor, but this is irrelevant since no matter what belief a sponsor professes to have as a come-on, it is going to be unadulterated indoctrination in the AA religion. So, what is the AA religion?

Looking at its history gives some clues. Both its founders were Ouija board-using spiritualists claiming communication with the dead and spirits. Bill W’s wife was a Swedenborgian and Dr. Bob was a freemason, both of which deny the Divinity of Christ. Today’s AA, however, is more self-indulgent New Age mysticism than like its Jazz Age, New Thought spiritualist roots. In my experience from attending meetings for 15 years, I’d say it’s essence is an anti-religion religion–that’s its main appeal–and any spirituality is acceptable and may be freely expressed at meetings, just so long as it’s not the theological teachings of the Christian faith. That will immediately elicit disapproving body language, coughs, chairs moving around, and so on.

This anti-religion religion has a strong appeal to those looking for the benefits of organized religion without the moral consequences of its teachings. Spiritually, AA is itself the “easy way out” it claims to oppose. If there is one sentiment that characterizes AA “sharing” on spirituality, it’s the venomous resentment of organized religion from the predictably ignorant and contrived catalog of its failures. This is odd since AA claims resentments are the number one reason for relapses, while these resentments against religion are voiced with passion, and often rage. Continue reading The Anti-Religion Religion

Battle of Delusions

Among our regular readers of this blog is a fundamentalist Christian, John, with an interest in the heresy of AA and the 12-steps. He is a nice guy, and though he does not comment in the public forum, I have received regular correspondence from him since we started a little less than a year ago. I don’t doubt that after reading this blog for a year, he believes that we are headed toward eternal damnation, and after reading his blog, I feel he is off the charts, batshit crazy. That’s OK, because we still like each other, and we have an understanding – and though we agree on few things, we have a common disdain for Alcoholics Anonymous – albeit for different reasons. Continue reading Battle of Delusions

Spiritual Awakening


It Isn't Religious, It's Ridiculous

“In the 12 steps that I have read, it talks about giving things out of our control over to God as we understand him. That could be God, Bhudda, Vishnu, Mohammed, Mother Nature or your favourite rock star!”
— Lily, AA zealot

Came to believe that Mick Jagger ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Admitted to Iggy Pop, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have Meat Loaf remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Billy Idol to remove our shortcomings.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with Axl Rose, praying only for knowledge of Axl’s will for us and the power to carry that out.

I would love for an AA to explain to me how Billy Idol will remove my shortcomings and answer my prayers. How does it work? Will he call me once he receives my prayer?

"It's in the book"

Bullshit slogan of the day:
It’s in the book

Translation – any answer to any question or objection can be settled with a quote from the ‘Big Book’. The ‘Big Book’ is the bible of AA, and its authority is unquestioned, which is baffling when one considers its origin. This is nothing more than a compilation of stories put together by a group of religious zealots with no scientific understanding of alcoholism, many of whom actually failed in their own sobriety. AAs study the book as though they are holy scriptures, no different than a group will study The Bible in Sunday school. It is considered infallable. The final word.