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Some Must Die

The characters of AA can make up  some interesting cocktails when they mix together. Here is a story out of Minnesota that took a tragic turn when Shannon Gura, an AA who was being 13th-stepped by Don Kreye, another stepper; decided (along with a couple of accomplices) to extort some big money from him:

Woman sentenced to 90 days in coercion plot; extortion victim killed himself

Gura, who now lives in Alabama, had pleaded guilty in October to a single count of coercion in a plot to extort $500,000 from Dan Kreye, one of the founders of High Five Erectors Inc., a steel-construction company in Shakopee.

She had met Kreye through Alcoholics Anonymous, and Gura said he had expressed an interest in helping her and had even given her money to help her buy a Jeep. She testified at an earlier hearing that when she told a friend of hers, Rickey Pouncil, of Rosemount, about Kreye, Pouncil figured the businessman was wealthy and came up with a scheme to extort money from him.

At Pouncil’s direction, Gura sent sexually explicit texts to Kreye in August 2009. The businessman replied in kind, even sending her a graphic sexual photo of himself. Later, over a steak dinner, Gura presented Kreye with printouts of his texts and photo and told him that she’d give them to his wife and kids unless he paid $65,000.

Pouncil and another woman allegedly continued the extortion over the next few months. On May 10, 2010, Kreye, 57, took his life in the Minnesota Valley National Wildlife Refuge.

Police found a note in his car that read, “I am being extorted over $500,000. Best for my family and friends.”

Heartwarming, isn’t it?


“OBVIOUSLY u people ARE NOT alcoholics or are going to the wrong meetings…It IS a BS saying though…It is NOT in the big book–some idiot made it up…”

This scolding was left by Jeff, an AA, in our comments section here. It’s such a great example of “godbotting,” that I thought I would highlight it here.

Remember: if it isn’t the ‘Big Book’, it’s made-up bullshit.

Give ’em hell, Jeff!

Even Lies Are Bigger In Texas

The Dallas Morning News is helping AA troll for new pigeons on Thanksgiving. I’m not sure the guy who wrote this is an AA or not. Judging from how full of shit he is, my guess is that he is one, as one of the commenters refers to his “birthday.” This quote below made spew coffee out of my nose:

You might find some turkey and dressing there. But you won’t find a morsel of shame, guilt, lecturing or superiority.

Considering the fact that the foundation of the program is built on shame and guilt; as well as lecturing and superiority from the Big Book Nazis who run the AA show, this guy is either a shameful liar, or wholly ignorant about his subject matter. One thing I do know is, his last name is appropriate.

Serenity Slashing

Michael Enright, the twenty-one year old wingnut who slashed the throat of a Muslim cab driver in New York, is an AA member. This reminds me of something my dad once told me, when I was trying to squirm out of trouble by lying to him — “You know what that white stuff is in bird shit? It’s just more bird shit.” Treating a deluded person with delusion is no different than adding more white stuff to bird shit. It simply compounds the problem.

They’ve sent this guy to Bellevue Psych ward. Hopefully, he will get some real help.

Here is the story.

Big Book Delusion

“The fact is that most alcoholics, for reasons yet obscure, have lost the power of choice in drink. Our so-called will power becomes practically nonexistent. We are unable, at certain times, to bring into our consciousness with sufficient force the memory of the suffering and humiliation of even a week or a month ago. We are without defense against the first drink.”
– from the ‘Big Book’ of Alcoholics Anonymous, p. 24

The above was written in 1939, at a time when we knew little about alcohol addiction. Sure, we knew how it manifested itself, and we knew the consequences of addiction – but we did not know the true nature or the cause of alcohol addiction. Because of our limited understanding, all that could be done at the time to address alcoholism was to treat the symptoms. There were only theories as to what caused alcohol addiction. At that time, it was a widely held belief that alcohol abuse was a character flaw, and that those who abused alcohol were simply exhibiting their weak moral constitution. This was perfect for AA, as they took advantage of his belief, which thy exploited and perpetuated, just as they do today.

AA fills in the blanks of addiction ignorance much like religion fills in the blanks of scientific ignorance. With religion, “God did it” is the default answer to that which we do not (yet) understand. It is fallacious logic at its finest, and is in a nutshell saying, “I don’t know, therefore I know.” With AA, “spiritual weakness” is the default answer. Why does Mary D. insist on drinking when it continues to ruin her life? Simple. Because Mary is “constitutionally incapable” of being honest. This quote from the ‘Big Book’ states that “for reasons yet obscure”, some people have an inability to stop drinking, yet the book turns around and states that a “spiritual awakening” or “an entire psychic change” will relieve a person of their compulsion. In other words, they are stating that they don’t know why some people can’t stop drinking, but the reason they can’t stop is because they are spiritually weak — “I don’t know, therefore I know.” It is just one of the many contradictions which is AA.

In 1939 we did not know the cause of addiction, or why some people could control their drinking, while others could not. This is one thing the ‘Big Book’ had right, and at the time the it was written, a ‘spiritual deficiency’ was as good of a hypothesis as any. Closer to the actual cause was the allergy theory set forth in ‘The Doctor’s Opinion’. The doctor was wrong, but at least he was on the right track, and it was as good of a place as any to start to find an answer. Fast forward seventy-five years, and much of the ignorance we had about the causes of alcoholism have been answered. Any answers we have found in that time, and any scientific advancement made in the understanding of addiction, has been discovered in spite of AAs fighting it at every turn. It is difficult to advance when the primary group available to help alcoholics is only interested in the advancement of their fellowship, and imposing their a set of arcane religious beliefs.

We now have an understanding of the physiological effects alcohol has on the brain, including how alcohol affects the brain’s pleasure pathways, which were not even discovered until twenty years after the ‘Big Book’ was written. We also know, for example, how alcohol affects the production of dopamine for alcoholics, as opposed to non-alcoholics; and it is this understanding that has led to breakthroughs in the treatment of alcoholism. Knowing the cause allows us to treat the cause, and not just the symptoms, of a disease. One thing we know for certain is that alcoholism is not a spiritual malady, and it is not an allergy. Not that there are not psychological consequences to addiction. Obviously, there are; and it is obvious, as well, that psychological problems often serve as a catalyst, and as a reason a person begins drinking in the first place — but the addiction itself is now understood. It is not obscure.

Drugs like Campral and Naltrexone, which have shown to be effective for many in curbing or eliminating cravings, work on these pathways that have been affected by alcohol abuse; and for most, prolonged abstinence will allow these pathways to revert back to their normal function. This happens regardless of whether a person is working religious steps. The “psychic change” that is referred to in the ‘Big Book’, and is so often repeated by AAs, is simply a consequence of abstinence. A person whose brain produces and transmits the proper amount of dopamine and serotonin will feel better, and any intervention by a faith healer, hypnotherapist or any other pseudoscientific practice, is simply a placebo. AAs believe in the placebo because their feelings of well-being correlates with their AA attendance. It is really no different of a mindset as with Native American tribes who once upon a time practiced “rain dances”, which were proven effective by their anecdotal experiences of seeing rain after these dance occurred. These people were not crazy, but were simply working out of ignorance of weather patterns. These dances may still be a part of Native American tradition, but they are no longer practiced for the purposes of actually producing rain. Why? Because the science is in, and we no know rain dances don’t work. That is what science does. It provides us with an improved understanding of things, so we can advance to the next step.

AAs do not, will not, discuss or educate its recruits on the science of addiction, and it will not update its practices to work in tandem with current scientific research. Regardless of what actual science shows, they hold true to the idea that their addictions are a consequence of moral weakness, for which the answer lies in moral re-armament. This is the nature of religion. The world is flat if the good book says it is flat, and nothing can be done to change this belief. A person in AA who fails, is believed to have failed because they did not work the program properly, not because of any physiological problem in their brain. The person who fails, and has been told over and over that “insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again, and expecting the same results,” is told to start once again at step one, regardless of how many times they may have failed before. Real treatment does not enter into the picture, and is more often than not discouraged if brought up to fellow AAs. Get right with God, and you’ll get right with your quit. This is the answer. the only answer. Science be damned.

A little fun with an AA Crazy

Ben found this quote below from Rob B, an AA fundy and reader of our blog, over at “McGowdoghouse”, a blog set up for AAs to vent about this blog, and  how they don’t care about this blog. In my experience with the 12-step fanatics, they are often emotional bullies who only feel comfortable within the insular world of AA, where their lunacy and manipulation of others goes unquestioned. AA is a collecting ground and a carnival for these insecure and sociopathic types, as it gives them unfettered access to those seeking help, who happen to be in an emotionally fragile state. Gaslighting, passive aggressiveness, shutdown statements, implications that if they are not working the steps, then they will be drinking, works well on these people seeking help from their addictions. On the occasions where they venture outside of the AA boundaries, where normal rules of discourse apply; and techniques like passive aggressiveness, ad hominem attacks and shut down slogans don’t work – they are at a loss, and respond like an angry child on a playground. They cannot understand that the dogma and manipulation tactics that they thrive on in AA, do not work for those of us not under the spell.

Reasoning with them or discussing their crazy belief system rationally does not work, because they are so brainwashed and jaded by the AA religion, that they cannot see how far-out crazy they have become. It’s like reasoning with a person who has schizophrenia, and trying to convince them the voices they hear in their head is not real. It’s a pointless exercise in futility. Sometimes I find myself feeling sorry for them. Then I realize what they are doing to people, and that feeling quickly goes away.

With that in mind, I thought it would be a good time to mock Rob B, in the best way I know how: by using his own words to make himself look like an ass. I thought it would be fun to include this quote, along with some of the “12 promises” of AA, which I have included in bold brackets:

…I figure they are just bored, or the most bitter vile pseudo intellectual folks I’ve ever seen.

I have been mixing it up with our good friends at ST, shame on me. There is no winning with these people, they don’t play by their own rules and have nothing to offer anyone. I would do well to steer clear of them, they really don’t know what they are talking about.

If MA or SPeedy were on fire, I’d be hard pressed to piss on them. [We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows] now if they wanted to recover from alcoholism, I could and would offer them something.

Funny thing about that site is that some of our biggest critics can’t stay sober, hmmmm, get back to me when you’ve found something.

Patrick [Mcgowdog],

I’m beginning to see where some of your anger and intensity comes from, [We will comprehend a new serenity/We will know peace] to [sic] bad this wasn’t real life, we could go over and kick their ass LOL. [We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us] I hope they come over and cut and past this to suit their scripts. If any ST folks are reading this, I am kidding. If MA is reading this, with all the love I can muster go fuck yourself.

Spirituality as a Bait and Switch Technique

CNN posted an article on their site this week titled, “Are there dangers to being ’spiritual but not religious’?” I’m not going to comment on the entire article, as it is the same circle jerk of an examination into this statement that anyone who has been run through the world of AA logic has experienced. There are a couple of parts that made me chuckle, however. Like this:

“It’s a trendy phrase people often use to describe their belief that they don’t need organized religion to live a life of faith.

But for Jesuit priest James Martin, the phrase also hints at something else: egotism.

“Being spiritual but not religious can lead to complacency and self-centeredness,” says Martin, an editor at America, a national Catholic magazine based in New York City. “If it’s just you and God in your room, and a religious community makes no demands on you, why help the poor?”

I would love to see this priest speak out at an AA meeting. Their fucking heads would explode!

Then there is this quote from BJ Gallagher. Huffington Post contributor, and 12-step apologist extraordinaire:

“Twelve-step people have a brilliant spiritual community that avoids all the pitfalls of organized religion,” says Gallagher, author of “The Best Way Out is Always Through.”

“Each recovering addict has a ‘god of our own understanding,’ and there are no priests or intermediaries between you and your god. It’s a spiritual community that works.”

This is absolute garbage. The idea that the ’Big Book’ advocates a “god of our understanding” is as laughable as the idea that there are no intermediaries between an AA and his/her god. The AA god™ is specific, and is not a “god of our understanding”, but is “God as we understand Him”. The ‘Big Book’ is specific on this point, just as it is clear in the ‘We Agnostics’ chapter that any other god one chooses is simply a proxy to be used until the person reaches spiritual enlightenment, and comes to believe in the AA god™.

Of course, there will be people who continue to say that they are using pez dispensers or bridges as their god, but even the most deluded and brainwashed AA intuitively knows inanimate objects cannot restore sanity, remove shortcomings and answer prayers. That is almost as absurd as the belief that there is a god hovering over you, waiting for you to work those steps so He can relieve you of your drinking addiction. Still, when AAs pray their god, they are praying to a specific one who spends His time in the rooms, helping alcoholics with their problems, to the exclusion of the starving kids, genocide, homelessness, et al. – which are the domain of the regular church gods. AA god™ does one thing, and doesn’t do it particularly well. He intervenes in the lives of alcoholics.

The @#$%&! Huffington Post

The site is a clearinghouse for self-promoting charlatans… I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Sylvia Browne is the managing editor of their Living section. Not a day goes by that there’s not some kind of 12-Step bullshit in the headlines:

Do You Have A Dry Drunk in Your Life?

These 7 characteristics of the “dry drunk” can hit the recovering alcoholic hard in the honest light of sobriety. Because they may not know how to handle these realizations, they may use you as a punching bag for their frustration and discontent.

  1. Resentment at a spouse, parent or whomever that has made them stop drinking.
  2. Realizing that because of their drinking, they may have not realized goals, dreams and potentials.
  3. Wondering if it’s too late, or if they are even capable of achieving those goals or dreams.
  4. Because of their drinking where unable to sustain a loving relationship with a partner and subsequently never experience having a family of their own.
  5. Having to accept the wasted years due to drinking.
  6. Anger at not being able to venture out or challenge themselves for fear of failure. The alcoholic may not have had any normal life experience with failure and success, which in turn would make them stronger and wiser. Instead those years were consequently shut out of dealing with life on life’s terms due to the alcoholic addiction.
  7. Jealous of others for their stick-to-it-ivity, perseverance and strength. Resenting the family member or friend for their dreams and therefore not being supportive, questioning their ability to pursue their passion and dampening their spirit for success.

13th Stepping North Carolina Style

Douglas LePage is an AA in North Carolina who was convicted of drugging and raping a 14-year old girl. In this case, he laced the girl’s banana cream pie with clonazepam and benzos, and sneaked into the guest room where the girl was sleeping, where he sexually assaulted her. His wife, who he had also drugged, lay passed out in her bed at the time.

This was not the first time LePage had done this type of thing, of course. He had honed his molestation skills in AA, where picked up another AA, who was sixteen years old, and who he eventually molested:

“At trial, the State presented the following evidence pursuant to N.C. Gen. Stat. § 8C-1 Rule, 404(b). First, the trial court offered the testimony of B.E. B.E. testified that in July 2006, when she was sixteen years old, she met Defendant at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. Within a few months of becoming friends with Defendant, Defendant began to discuss his sexual problems with B.E. Defendant told her that he could no longer have sex because he had injected drugs into his groin. However, Defendant told B.E. that he could “make [B.E.] feel like a woman, meaning perform oral sex [on her], touch [her], protrude [sic] [her] in other ways.” Defendant told B.E. that he did not have a problem with her age because “it’s legal in North Carolina.” B.E. ended her relationship with Defendant because she “got scared.” Defendant contends that the ‘trial court erred in admitting this evidence because it was not sufficiently similar to the charged offenses.'”

This an interesting take the ‘amends steps’ 8 and 9.

As they say in AA, “some are sicker than others”, and this scumbag is about as sick as it gets. It seems that in addition to drugging underage girls he seduces in AA meetings, he enjoys drugging family members so he can molest them, as well:

“The State also presented a videotape displaying sexual activity involving Defendant and his female cousin, L.E. The video was taken during the time Defendant left his home and went to stay with L.E. in Ohio. In the video, Defendant can be seen inserting objects into L.E.’s vagina. L.E. did not appear to be conscious during the activity, and she testified at trial that she did not remember the activity. L.E. also testified that she did not consent to the activity and that she remembered being ill and vomiting during Defendant’s visit.”

Fortunately, this piece of garbage will continue his AA spiritual growth in a North Carolina prison, where he will be spending the next 27 to 34 years. No doubt he will find plenty AA meetings behind bars, but maybe this time the person getting 13th stepped will be him.

Thinking in Circles

When last we left off, we were taking an exam to determine whether or not we are real alcoholics. Among the things learned were, if a person can stop drinking on their own for a certain period of time, they are not an alcoholic:

This person….can also stop or moderate, although they may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention. Have you found a sufficient reason to quit and has that reason kept you sober or clean? *Note: If you can answer “YES” to this question, you are NOT an alcoholic or addict!

This brings us to Dave C., an AA and participant over at the Friends of Bill forum. Dave, who has been diligently working the steps, but has yet to have his own white light experience, asks:

“I have been wondering this for some time. I had a spiritual awakening, followed by a relapse 2 months later, followed by a 14 year dry drunk, got heavily involved in meetings and the steps and quiet times and can honestly say I havent [sic] felt my makers presence, but have had plenty of improved periods of perspective I’d call it, but no contact with H.P. Has anyone here had a long period of dry drunk after a relapse and had another spiritual awakening? I’d love to hear about it. I could use some advice in this.”

The most obvious piece of advice to me would be for him to take some belladonna. The second bit of advice should have been that he is not really an alcoholic, since he was able to quit on his own for fourteen years. Of course, that is not how it really works. In AA, if you can quit on your own for any period of time, you were never really an alcoholic. Unless, of course, if you come back to AA, in which case you were a ‘dry drunk’. Does this make sense? Of course it doesn’t. It is just another piece of circular logic one is subjected to when entering the rooms of AA.