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Quote of the Day

Richard Dreyfuss delivered the keynote address for the Oklahoma Outreach Foundation, where he offered up a some of the standard Sobriety Woo, but ended his speech with this grand heresy, which I dedicate to the new incarnation of JD:

Expressing a desire that his keynote would make the audience think, Dreyfuss encouraged recent graduates of Mission Academy to reach beyond sobriety.

“Remember, sobriety is a fabulous goal, but is it better to be a sober wife beater than a man who drinks occasionally and loves his family?” he said. “You have (graduated from) a sober high school, I commend you. I truly commend you. But as you grow up, you’ll find that what also counts is good acts and moral behavior and being kind and patient and being a loving parent and husband.”

Ku Klux Krazy

No one today says a child molester can be reformed. A generation ago every expert said they could.

There is a lesson here. Everybody but us is required to say that they can look at a black guy with a white girl and not even notice. If one can really convince oneself of that, one can also convince oneself that NAMBLA is right, and that men having sex with boys is so Ok it is not noticeable.

If you can REALLY do these things, just ONCE, is there ever any coming back?

We accept recovering alcoholics, but only if they are absolutely, unreservedly aware, every day of the week, that there is something WRONG with them. That is the ONLY route to recovery, and there is no guarantee of that one.

The same inhumanly difficulty exists in the case of those who are ever truly unoffended by the couple which will produce ugly mixes.

We all know that Tiger Woods would have nothing to do with a girl who looked like the daughter he and his beautiful Swedish bride will produce. We all know that OJ would have nothing to do with a girl who looked like the daughter he and his blond wife produced….

Bob Whitaker, an AA. Commenting on the White Pride World Wide forum.

Quote of the Day

“I’m a good mommy. I’m an alcoholic, but I’m a good mommy.”

Marcy Gant, an AA. Who was convicted of trying to sell her son – twice – to earn money for a wedding dress.

Quote of the Day

“…For instance, last week, I shared that in addition to AA, and all of the wonderful people there, that my therapist had also been another very helpful pillar of support. After that, the next five people who shared all went on to have something or other negative to say about therapists and therapy in general, as if I had stepped out of an AA meeting and into a Scientology group. It was bizarre, as I meant no disrespect. It was instructive in how quickly the group reacted to reject the incursion of an idea that they clearly did not want to gain general credence among the members: it was as if an outside force had attacked, and they mobilized against it. It was a very striking example of group dynamics, and, to that extent, a learning experience….”

HuskyPup, an AA. Commenting in the Sober Recovery forum.

Quote of the Day

“…An alcoholic is different biologically, psychologically, and spiritually different than a normal person. There are chemicals in their brain that make them sensation seekers and predestined to addiction.* Their bodies’ metabolize alcohol and drugs differently releasing chemicals into their brain, which in turn makes them, crave more. Their perspective and view of reality is twisted and before the alcohol was introduced. My alcoholism, which still exists, was a symptom of the real problem. I knew what the consequences were, but I could not stop. I was beyond human aid, nothing I or anyone else tried worked for me. God has done for me what I could not do for myself….”

– Brian Vanderhook, an AA. In the comment section of Scientific American.

[This was in response to a comment by Raynsy, and it was so jaw-droppingly ignorant, I thought that I would highlight it here. Thanks, Ray.]

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*Preddictionation [prēˌdikSHənˈnāSHən] noun – the divine foreordaining of a person’s alcohol addiction.

Watters and Wine

Remember the Catholic Priest, Fr. Pete Watters, who was featured in the article about Toronto AA’s removing the agnostic groups from the roster (“Does Religion Belong at AA? Fight over ‘God’ Splits Toronto AA Groups“)? He was quoted in that article:

“People and agencies can help,” Watters says, “but the only one who can restore that person to permanent sobriety is God. But that’s the God of your understanding — that can be anything you want.”

How does a Catholic priest reconcile advising others to believe in whatever conception of God they want? Can God be whatever you want if you’re a Catholic? Do false gods work just as well in AA as Catholic God? According to his faith, isn’t Watters condemning people to both disease and damnation by encouraging them to pick any conception of God they want?

Is Watters really a Catholic?

The Toronto Star recently wrote an article commemorating Watters for his 50 years of sobriety in AA (“Priest Calls on His Own Demons to Help Others with Theirs“), and includes this detail:

And then, at 50, he felt a calling that rekindled youthful dreams of joining the priesthood that booze interrupted.

“So I went to the bishop and I asked him, ‘Are you taking any old men these days?’ The next thing I knew I was in the seminary,” he said.

He was ordained a few years later and even received dispensation from the Vatican to celebrate communion with grape juice, so he doesn’t have to sip sacramental wine, because “it’s pretty good stuff,” he laughed.

It seems that this priest has more faith in the tenets of AA than he does in Catholicism, though which the substance of the wine is transformed into the blood of Christ. Despite all appearances to the contrary, the truth — according to Catholic faith — is that the wine is no longer wine.  But it is for this priest.  It seems that he has more faith in AA’s disease model than he does in transubstantiation.

What’s his real religion?

Bonus Quote of the Day

An AA member responds to the Watters article:

I am writing to express my deep disappointment that the Star continues to provide a platform for this priest to dishonour the fellowship that helped save his life. AA is called Alcoholics Anonymous for a reason — we have a long tradition of anonymity expected of our members at the level of press, radio and films.

This is not because we are ashamed of being alcoholics. It is to ensure our humility and to enforce the fact that no one person has the right to represent AA to the world at large. Glory and grandiosity are very dangerous for recovering alcoholics, who are egomaniacs at the best of times.

By continuing to publish this priest’s full name and photo while associating him with AA, you are hurting his sobriety. I am very sorry to see a second article of this nature in three months.

Andrea O, Strathroy

 

Quote of the Day

“This book is equivalent of telling Type I diabetics that they can live without insulin injections and can eat candy daily. Either way they eventually die from the disease because of their actions. Alcoholism is an allergy. Just like someone who has a peanut allergy, having just a little peanut still results in a reaction – sometimes deadly. When alcoholics intake alcohol, the reaction is a mental obsession for MORE!
The ONLY real “cure” for alcoholism is AA. I have an alcoholic allergy, and I treat it with AA meetings. This has worked for me and MILLIONS of others. There is no real “cure” for this disease – only in AA have I been able to find out how to live life on life’s terms without alcohol or drugs. I would highly suggest reading the Big-Book of Alcoholics Anonymous over this book.”

Deb Reinig. An AA. Commenting on Amazon about the book, The Cure For Alcoholism: Drink Your Way Sober Without Willpower, Abstinence and Discomfort; a book about the Sinclair Method.

(I’m guessing she hasn’t read the book, and might just be guilty of “contempt prior to investigation.”)

Blowhard of the Day

Yesterday, Humanspirit, posting as “yixing” on the Guardian, responded to an article titled “Amy Winehouse: Why is there so little understanding of addiction?” and her comment was censored by the editors. They offered no specific reason, only linked to the commenting guidelines. Her comment was preserved, though, since another commenter, Gunnerson, took issue and quoted her in his/her response.  So we can see for a plain fact that the editors censored for opinion. The response, which stands, is stunning and I thought would serve as a good “quote of the day“:

yixing;

There is nothing enlightened about doctors foisting their medical responsibilities onto AA or NA. These groups may work for some – the peer support is useful here, I suppose. But AA especially has an appalling failure rate, presumably because its programme has nothing to do with tackling addiction and everything to do with finding God, accepting personal powerlessness, prayer, confession, repentance, atonement, retribution, daily seeking of God’s will, and evangelizing the 12 step programme. (Anyone here who doesn’t believe me, look up the 12 steps of AA and AA’s “Big Book” online, and ask yourselves whether this really should be the default “treatment” for addiction that a secular society should be using in the 21st century.)
I’m assuming you now feel better after your fact-challenged rant.
But you’re not wrong about everything.

AA does have an appalling failure rate, something along the lines of 60%. Interestingly you do not mention any alternative modalities that do better than that. I suspect that’s because you don’t know any, and I further suspect that’s because there aren’t any.

The very reason that “patients” in expensive rehab centers are “forced” (your words, not mine) to familiarize themselves with the AA or NA programs is simply because if they did not do that their own “failure rates” would go through the roof.
The real scandal here, and you touch upon it, is the scumbags rehab operators pocketing oceans of cash by charging the earth for what is no more than a fancy referral service to a program that is free anyway.

Of course Bill Wilson was a shady operator – he worked on Wall Street for crissakes, what would you expect?
In spite of your fulminations about his character, and your condemnation (and misrepresentation) of the true breadth of AA and similar programs you completely fail to account for the fact that nothing else has so far come close in effectiveness for both theists and atheists alike.

The annoying (for folks like you) fact is that, as preposterous as AA can be, and it certainly can be that, and as unpalatable as some of its literature is to the secular mind, it’s still the most effective modality out there, and not just by a little bit.

I would fully expect AA and its offshoots to disappear of their own accord quite soon after being replaced by a treatment modality less offensive to your prejudices, something robustly scientific and comfortingly secular no doubt, but as of now there is nothing meeting those criteria to discuss, now is there?

Quote of the Day

“One turned up the other day calling himself Boniface. Said he was a Benedictine missionary and English. Had been a man of learning, knew missionary work and a lot about structures. I think he said this all the more modestly but that was the gist of it. I’d never heard of this gentleman but he checked out pretty well in the Encyclopedia. If this one is who he says he is—and of course there is no way of knowing—would this be licit contact in your book?”

Bill Wilson; AA co-founder. In a letter to Father Ed Dowling. Describing his encounter ghostly encounter with Boniface, the 15th-century monk who Bill claims dictated to him the book Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions.

Thanks, God!

“So there comes a time in every alcoholic’s life when they hit bottom. And there are two ways to handle it. Either you can decide that it is not worth it, and stay at the bottom, or you can realize that what God has given you is a gift. He has given you the opportunity to realize that you have a problem and you need help….”

– “gerbie42”  An AA. Explaining God’s logic.