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Quotes of the Day

“…have no respect for those who make a living out of taking newcomers through our steps at a price…may all of their cancers arrive soon and be especially virulent. hope [sic] wherever Mark is now, he is spending newcomer’s money wisely.”

Cabledude/JD/Mondotuna. An AA and troll at this blog, host of the now private “Recovery First” delphi forum; member of AA Mollys UK forum. Commenting here on the death of Mark Houston, who ran a treatment centre and died last year of cancer.

“We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows.”

– The sixth promise of Alcoholics Anonymous

And Now, A Dissenting View

Our newest member of the Stinkin’ Thinkin’ family, none other than serenity stud Guardian Angel, stopped by pay us a visit, but wound up in our naughty filter. He used some colorful and politically incorrect language, but we really want him to able to express his serenity and display to us the promises delivered to him by the AA program. So, I cleaned it up a little. I replaced his dirty language with the words displayed in red.

Thanks, Guardian Angel!

if you argue AA sensibly….you guys just keep sayin door-knob…GSO steals $$ etc
RIDICULOUS

when you get pissed
and say or do anything
not PERFECTLY SPIRITUAL….you say thanks for proving our case

the FACTS REMAIN
I KICKED YOUR FUCKIN ASSES
YOU PEOPL ARE STUPID TO HAVE THIS BE “YOUR CAUSE”

FRIEND THE GIRL IS A WHORIBLY BAD WRITER….HOW MUCH DOES SHE MAKE$$$

SHE IS JEALOUS OF MELODY BEATTIE

I DON’T HAVE TO PROVE MY CASE
AA WORKS….END OF STORY

THIS PIECE OF SHIT WEB-SITE HAS A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE

THE ONLY TIME
IT SEES SERIOUS ACTION
IS WHEN A TROLL COMES TO KICK YOUR ASSES

JR IS PROBABLY THE SKINNIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD
SUE NEEDS TO EAT POPSICLES AND GET OVER THE BAD HAIR DAY
FRIEND THE WHORIBLY BAD WRITER NEEDS TO GET HONEST
MA SECRETLY LOVES ME AND WISHES THEY SAID WHAT I SAID

Quote of the Day

“That was 75 years ago. The big book is an historical document with some good ideas and many that have outgrown their usefulness….”
A.A. Alfie, an AA.

[also see: Alfieholics Anonymous]

Be Careful

Just a quick heads up. One of our trolls, Danny Bennison, has been commenting here again under the name of “Quagmire.” His other aliases include the names: Cuggle, Diablo, Heretikreb and Danny B II. We’ve banned him, but like all cyber stalkers, he doesn’t respect other people’s boundaries. In addition to this, he is trying to ingratiate himself with anyone remotely associated with our blog. He is also commenting and trying to shut down dialog in the stories we link, and in the comment sections of of stories and topics about this blog.

Danny Bennison is not a stable individual. Please be careful engaging him if you see or hear from him. Below is an image of Danny taken three years ago during the Republican National Convention:

Danny Bennison (Dramatic Reenactment)

– MA

The Looking-Glass

Here’s an entertaining exchange from a couple of AAs over at the Online Daily Reflections blog. It’s a rare occurrence that we capture this kind of lunacy in the wild, so I thought that I’d post it here.

It started out innocently enough, with Lyby G writing about how her Higher Power™ evolved from a table, to a tree, to her AA group itself, and finally to AA God™. You know…just standard AA stuff. But soon it devolved into a fight between her and “Guardian Angel” over who is the most sober and least resentful:

The first blow was struck by Guardian Angel, who questioned whether Lyby was “really sober” because she was not really working the program. He started the exchange with the “are you in AA, or around AA?” tactic — a classic and effective move. As an added touch passive aggression, it’s written in a kind of freestyle haiku-like manner:

but…
the reality
that you leave out
of the well written story
is that you have been around AA for 20 years…
and have been sober ???

Lydy shows amazing restraint, and simply states her years of sobriety as evidence of its quality:

Sweetheart, I’ve been sober over 27 continuous years in Alcoholics Anonymous and don’t believe in the GOD of the Oxford Group –
atheists and agnostics stay sober in AA every day of the week and we’ve been doing it for nearly 76 years!!!!

Not being one to be deterred from a good serenity battle, Guardian Angel reminds Lydy that it doesn’t matter how long a person has gone without a drink, and her years of abstinence means nothing. She isn’t really sober, even though she hasn’t had a drink in a quarter of a century. Any good AA knows that real sobriety means working the program properly. He ups the ante by accusing her of taking prescription medications, and in keeping with passive-aggressive tone, ends the sentence with a smiley face :

What part of b) don’t you understand?

Your sobriety is quantity not quality
and I would bet millions you abuse meds :)

Intuitively knowing how to handle what seems to us normies to be a baffling accusation – that someone who hasn’t had a drink for 27 years isn’t really sober – Lydy fights fire with fire, and counters the prescription medication accusation with the classic “you have resentments” accusation. She even brought Guardian Angel’s mother into the mix:

Sorry sweetheart, you gonna lose that bet — that’s what you get for taking hookers to the boat lol.

I would bet the $2 I put in the basket every meeting that you have unresolved resentment issues towards your mother that your sponsor really wishes you’d deal with.

Perhaps if you’re being such a troll on here, then you aren’t being abusive towards the members of your home group at f2f meetings.

Awesome.

UPDATE: Guardian Angel has informed me in our comments that I was wrong in what I wrote. She (he?) was actually responding to Paige,  but Lyby defended her “because she is a meddling old bag,who is crazy.”

Thank you, Guardian Angel, for taking time between the Sabbaths to clarify this.

A.A. Alfie: The Iron Man of Alcoholics Anonymous

A thread started over at the James Randi forum almost a year ago, and since that time “A.A. Alfie” has been trying to convince a group of skeptics that they aren’t seeing what they’re seeing, and that AA is not a religious program. They aren’t buying it, of course. I haven’t read through the entire year’s worth of comments, but Alfie seems to have knocked out multiple opponents with filibustering and quirky rationalizations. It’s an impressive display in stamina. He’s the Lou Gehrig of AA apologists.

I double-dog dare anyone to take this guy on. The first person to get him to concede a point gets a “One Day At A Time” serenity calendar, and my ever-lasting admiration.

Here is the original post that started it all:

Why Do People Insist AA Is Not Religious?

“I’m dealing with a spouse who has alcohol issues. His first therapist (social worker) told him to go to a Beginner’s AA meeting, and to “Keep An Open Mind.”

He went, and was instantly uncomfortable. Not only was Jesus Christ mentioned constantly as the Savior, but the meeting ended with, “The Lord’s Prayer.”

He related this to the social worker, who berated him for not going to a Beginner’s meeting. (Which it WAS listed as.) And then told him that, “The Lord’s Prayer” is not really religious, anyway.

My husband now sees a psychologist who specializes in cognitive behavior and doesn’t push AA.

Now I’m furious that MY new therapist is telling me that AA would be a good resource for my husband. “It’s not religious, it’s spiritual,” and “Your higher power can be anything at all, the ocean, even yourself.”

I’m not confrontational, and I tried to remember some of the advice I’ve received here about debating. I told her that I had done research on AA, that it had a 5% success rate, and that the Supreme Court had ruled that it was religious. Then I started to get emotional and told her that it was all based on a Buchmanite group designed to get people to accept Christ as the Savior, and that the Higher Power stuff was nonsense, since sure, it starts out as, “the ocean,” but ends up referring to God. And the “higher power” definitely CANNOT be yourself, since it has to be some outside force. As Henry Ford said of his cars, you can have any color you want so long as it’s black. Well, you can have any Higher Power you want so long as it’s God.

As former Catholics, my husband and I tend to get a bit touchy when religion is sold to us. It is very difficult to get away from, “Magical Thinking,” and I’ve been working so hard to restructure my thoughts, to think more critically, to learn about logic, and to question things. And it took a lot for me to “talk back” to my therapist about this, and I still feel guilty, like I should just accept it as good advice. Such is the mark that being a good little Catholic girl leaves on person.

I feel so angry that the majority of people don’t question AA at all.”

Life On Planet Crackpot

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you “Badass Billy” Macdowell:

I arrived at the doors of Alcoholics Anonymous at the age of twenty nine. It took me twenty years beyond, after five years, three years and a number of sporatic [sic] months of, what we in AA call, “dry drunks”, or, “white knuckled sobriety”, to understand and accept what was being suggested to me by the understanding and caring  people of AA and what the spiritual program of AA would eventually do for me.

That being said, I will put to rest an old wives tale about the alcoholic in the simplest terms that anyone can understand. Have you ever heard, “that all the alcoholic has to do is use “will power” to stop drinking?” Well, let me ask you something very personal, “have you ever tried will power when you had a case of diarrhea?” Try it sometime! If it doesn’t work for diarrhea, it certainly will not help the alcoholic to stop drinking. Believe me!

 

This piece of literary brilliance is taken from Badass Billy’s drunkalog, where he goes on to write:

I had to turn my disease over to the care of the God of my understanding, totally surrender to the fact that alcohol conquered me, remove my self centerness [sic] (ego deflation in depth) and ask for guidance. That was never in me to do prior to my surrendering. It is because of that spiritual conversion, from the extreme depths of despair and desperation, drowning in the quicksand of insanity, that I was able to recover to become a productive and respected member of society. Without a Higher Power and the Twelve Step program of AA to guide me every step of the way, there was no way out of what is often referred to as… “self will run riot.”

Billy’s ego deflation and consequent sobriety was effective enough to allow him to self-publish an autobiography in which he declares himself “God’s linchpin.” In promoting it, he tells the world that he now lives “in a prestigious country club, overlooking the third hole on the golf course.” That certainly makes me want to buy his book. All of this may sound a little self-aggrandizing to you, but before he surrendered his ego, Billy was downright insufferable. Continue reading Life On Planet Crackpot

Quote of the Day

“…That a member here would pretend one thing in one place and something else in another indicates a lot about them, and how could you place your trust in anyone here when among all the braindead sheep is such a big bad wolf?”

Interesting to me the person has not stepped forward for these past days and given some lame excuse that you’d surely buy immediately, because it’s what you’d like to believe is so, and you couldn’t possibly be so entirely foolish as to put your trust in them as a fellow traveler…that’s not possible at all.”


– JD; aka “Mondotuna”; aka, “Jerry”; aka, “Cabledude”. An AA and troll on this blog, and apparently still a moderator at Lifering forum. Writing here in our comment section a few months ago.

JD’s Other Gig

JD, aka "Mondotuna"

“The more immediate question is what is it about the faux Narconon program that is so attractive to ftg and MA that they provide an easy link for people to connect with The Coach? If people are paying $2500 for every 8 phone calls to an untrained spin-dry Graduate there is certainly enough money floating around to explain it, but might they like to promote it for other reasons? I mean the harping about the 2yr degreed and licensed addiction crowd is a constant, and the opinions about how untrained AA sponsors are and how they have no right to help people for free are ceaseless…so how could The Coach make perfect sense to them to actively promote? Giving people in trouble an easy path to Stevie doesn’t meet any logical standard at all for them that I can envision, and is a true mystery.”

JD wrote this in our comment section today. He makes a good point. We like Steven, and we think he has a lot of good things to say. But we don’t want to look as though we are promoting one brand of recovery over another. So, in the interest of fairness, we thought that we would direct everyone to a Lifering forum, moderated by our very own JD, aka “Mondotuna.” He’s a man of many hats. Not only does he troll here, but he hosts a “plan B” forum, too!

Those interested in a recovery forum should go there and say “hello.” There’s no sense in keeping JD’s wisdom to ourselves. Perhaps you can share with them, the words of wisdom JD has given us here: Lifering Recovery Forum. Make sure you tell them how you found the site!

UPDATED by ftg to add:

I’d like to edit this post to reflect the real story here, which is that JD was using his position as a moderator at LifeRing to gather information about people who know and trust him as “mondotuna”. JD quoted and revealed painful information about people in order to mock them, while not revealing how he was privy to this information. Not only that, but he constantly disparaged LifeRing as among the “Plan B” programs that don’t work. In fact, he challenged us to go to LifeRing and see if we can find people who’ve been successful there. He talked about how fun it was to watch people continually relapse.

All this stuff is unpacked and linked to in the comments, so make sure to read them through.

I’ve been looking at the LifeRing messageboard, and JD’s farewell comment, where he admits to betraying himself and the people who trust him. He admits to even saying things he doesn’t believe in order to disrupt people he disagrees with. (But we’re the one’s with the delicate fee fees and are out for blood. We’re the violators of privacy. Right.) It seems that some of the responders to that post aren’t grasping the depth of JD’s betrayal, and are under the impression that we have attacked LifeRing. We don’t have anything against LifeRing. It’s on our blogroll. In fact, in our comments a few weeks ago, you’ll find JD preemptively ridiculing someone in the event that she decides to go to LifeRing after leaving AA.

I also want to make it clear that we’re not exposing JD as a private person. Please keep pictures of him or any personally identifiable information or private details off the Stinkin’ Thinkin’. He feels that his privacy was violated, which is asinine — especially considering the liberties he has taken with people who trust him. We didn’t violate his privacy, we exposed “mondotuna” as “JD” — and we’re not going to be complicit in his betayal of his station at LifeRing while he uses it to undermine both us and LR. The display of entitlement is mindboggling.

However, I see the JD still has that “hammer” next to his name. I’ll add the LifeRing link back to the blogroll once it’s gone.

[Just to be sure there is no misunderstanding: We are saying that JD/mondotuna/cabledude used information that he learned about people on another forum, not that he misused confidential information that only he had access to (which is something we couldn’t possibly know). All the information we’re talking about is public, of course, but people who post on support boards can reasonably expect to be treated with sensitivity by the moderator — and that is surely the intent of the forum’s owners who created the space and put JD in that leadership position. Members should be able to expect that, of all people, the moderator will not follow them to other communities and use what he learned on the board  against them, while hiding behind a different identity.]

Godbotting

“OBVIOUSLY u people ARE NOT alcoholics or are going to the wrong meetings…It IS a BS saying though…It is NOT in the big book–some idiot made it up…”

This scolding was left by Jeff, an AA, in our comments section here. It’s such a great example of “godbotting,” that I thought I would highlight it here.

Remember: if it isn’t the ‘Big Book’, it’s made-up bullshit.

Give ’em hell, Jeff!