“Recovery Leader” Arrested

Curtis Oliver, the director of Never Alone, Never Again (check out the overtly religious mission statement), was arrested for stealing $1000 from the organization to fund his gambling habit.

Curtis Oliver, 53, allegedly took grant funding awarded to NANA by the Buffalo Trace Agency for Substance Abuse Policy Board, commonly known as ASAP.

Maysville Police Detective Ken Fuller confirmed Oliver’s arrest Saturday afternoon. Fuller said the investigation was prompted by board members of NANA who contacted him with reports of theft. An examination of bank statements for NANA showed Oliver had withdrawn money from the bank account via ATM card, Fuller said.

Oliver was the only person to be in possession of an ATM card for that account, Fuller said, and used it in approximately 15 transactions between July 21 and Aug. 23.

“It appeared that he was using it for gambling habits,” Fuller said.

NANA started in 2007 as a safe place for addicts to meet, according to previous information, though it had fallen stagnate until Oliver took over as managing director in April 2010. In March, Oliver said he was filing for nonprofit status for the organization, which not only is the location for several meetings including Narcotics Anonymous but also was meant as a place where addicts could go to hang out with people who could understand what they were going through and offer support.

Anthony Mullins, chair of the board for ASAP, said the grant awarded to NANA was awarded after a formal board had been created. The funds were intended to be used for the purchase of literature and other supplies necessary for NANA. Mullins said part of the funding was also intended to be used for the renovation of a building in Vanceburg for the expansion of NANA.

Vanceburg Mayor Todd Ruckel said he was only aware the money was to be used to purchase literature for both the Maysville and Vanceburg offices, not for renovation. Ruckel has been working with community leaders in Lewis County to start a program separate from NANA.

NANA board member David White said Oliver is a classic example of a “wolf in sheep’s clothing.”

Read the rest…

(h/t Sally!)

 

  • AnnaZed

    So, renovations for an NA based Alano club? Really, that is like shooting fish in a barrel. This guy seems colossally dumb. There are countless ways that a fund like that could be abused and he picked using the ATM card that only he possessed? Oliver, dumb and mendacious ~ almost comical. The protesting too much vibe of David White seems interesting as well.

  • Sally

    With the hot tip he had on a racehorse, he would have profited for much more literature and funding to aid the addicts that he was dedicated to helping (cough). Perhaps it was the thought of a few more Ouija boards that inspired him?

    There is a saying in NA “One is too many, but a thousand is never enough”…Dollars?

  • Never Alone, Never Again (NANA) is located at 1211 Forest Avenue Maysville, Kentucky 41056 is a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) therefore the Tax returns do not seem to be available.

    Buffalo Trace is a non-profit organization in Maysville, the county seat of Mason County, Kentucky that appears to helping that county immeasurably.

    BUFFALO TRACE AREA DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT INC
    BUFFALO TRACE CHILDRENS ADVOCACY CENTER INC
    BUFFALO TRACE EDUCATION CONSORTIUM INC
    BUFFALO TRACE HOUSING CORPORATION
    HUMANE SOCIETY OF BUFFALO TRACE INC

    Good detective work on uncovering the alleged Spiritual Abuser Curtis Oliver, I hope that they do not let him tell them it was “his disease talking” because if this is arrest has any founding, it was his greed talking. I am surprised that he was caught though, since recruitment is heavily from the Maysville Detention Center where he was sent and through working the Steps devised by Bill Wilson with this population he has learned many of the tricks to avoid being caught because “it works if you work it” and he has learned what works to keep these people under the radar and out of jail.

    http://neveraloneneveragain.org/

  • SoberPJ

    He obviously isn’t too smart for AA. And that begs the question, ” can you be too stupid for AA ?” mmmm … Bill used some pretty big words in some fancy combinations.

  • Gambling habits, a recovery leader and fraud with credit cards? Oh dear… wait, why can’t he just own it and do a step 10?!?!?!? That’ll make it alllllllll ok… 😉

    B l A m E

  • FKABB

    No wonder….the link for tools on the site is empty. Maybe they were burglary tools and another member has taken them for betterment of his financial situation.
    Throw the word recovery out there, and reel in the net with government dollars.

  • Gunthar2000

    They arrested Ghandi!

  • FKABB

    No…that is Ghandi’s cousin Spike.

  • It’s not Ghandi, it’s his cousin cuggles that was using his ATM card!

  • causeandeffect

    B l A m E, stpe 10 is the “leave the rest” step. I’ve never known a stepper to do step 10. Ever.

  • hulahoop

    How are people in Gamblers Anonymous rewarded for their “sober” time? Surely don’t they don’t pass out chips. Do they get a beer and a shot instead?

  • Mona Lisa

    I did step 10. It’s really just a lame step 4. Either way, it’s crap.

  • its all crap crap crap. Im so mad I stayed for so long boo hoo :(((((((

  • raysny

    A lot of 12step members never do the steps. The figure “cafeteria-stlye AA” is fine as long as they don’t relapse. If they do, they become a little fundamentalist in their approach.

    The one that ticked me off was running into a woman who had once ripped me off and a year later, when I confronted her outside a store, her boyfriend shot me. She was chairing an NA meeting, the topic was amends. I wanted to confront her, but my ride threatened to strand me if I did. She recognized me and snuck out before the closing prayer.

    I have never gotten so much as a “sorry” from an 12step member for actions that occurred before or after them joining AA/NA.

  • UPDATE – fall out from the arrest of Curtis Oliver…..

    Lewis County to have addiction recovery facility.

    “VANCEBURG — Drug addiction and abuse is so rampant in Lewis County every family is affected, said Vanceburg Mayor Todd Ruckel.”
    Despite the obvious need, the county lacks the recovery support necessary to help those battling addiction get their lives back, said David White, a recovering addict. Seven months ago, a group of concerned citizens began to meet to discuss the problem and brainstorm a solution. What the group decided was that in Lewis County, addicts need a chance for a New Beginning.

    Saturday, Ruckel announced that a building has been located to house a new drug recovery facility which, appropriately, will be called New Beginnings. The facility will be located in the former Pizza Corner building on Third Street, Ruckel said. The building has been made available through the Vanceburg Lions Club which is purchasing the building.

    (snip}

    ” White, who was involved in a similar facility in Maysville called Never Alone Never Again, will be manager of New Beginnings. White recently resigned from his position on the board for NANA after he reported to police the suspected theft of grant money by NANA’s former director Curtis Oliver. Oliver was subsequently charged with theft by unlawful taking for allegedly stealing more than $3,000 in grant funds. His case is currently in Mason County District Court.”

    Read more: http://www.maysville-online.com/news/local/article_9b008164-ed45-11e0-b4be-001cc4c03286.html

    Hmmmmm….. Started meeting 7 months ago …….. Turns in the only other facility owner that he also works with…… a week later has financing and a building to open up his own club….. Nice timing

  • AnnaZed

    Yeah JR, I think that this David White guy (like the Maine sponsor with the dead body) was just a little too close to the crime and that his account is just a little to pat to thoroughly inspire confidence. I’d say that the odds against either of these rigorously honest™ AA members being completely full of shit are incalculable.

    Yet, there’s David White grinning like the cat who ate the cream. This after going on record calling his mentor and former cohort a wolf in sheep’s clothing http://www.maysville-online.com/news/local/article_fe126da8-e304-11e0-9a3d-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1ZvaV2QlH

    I also think that it is odd that Curtis Oliver seems to be taking a mighty fall for around $1,000 (only a few dollars over the petty theft and small claims cut-off) and it causes me to wonder if there might be an element of a power-grab in these goings on.

    One might be forgiven for murmuring …. hummm …. when looking more closely at the now presiding recovery king of Maysville.

    I think former golf pro is a nice touch of self-mythologizing (though in his case it seems to be sort of true, only sort of though). It seems like he was working that angle in March of this year when he miraculously found Never Alone, Never Again and joined the ranks of the recovery army had a spiritual experience: http://maysville-online.com/news/local/article_44f09492-4dd3-11e0-b352-001cc4c002e0.html that miraculously ended his 15-year Xanax and Oxycotin addiction. (amazing!)

    It also seems that he wasn’t going to be a recovery foot soldier for long ~ rising to a seat on the Never Alone, Never Again board in less than a four months. I can tell you from long years of AA participation that this is not uncommon. The churn in the service areas that involve a modicum of real responsibility (keys and suchlike) is actually relatively high. It is also not rare for these recovery stars to abscond with the treasury.

    Interesting that the Ledger Independent (that oracle of investigative journalism accessible online as a part of maysville-online.com) and specifically hard hitting investigative journalist Misty Maynard** (misty.maynard@lee.net), who penned every single one of these articles, was in no way pinged by:

    (a.) Printing the one fluff piece (linked above) on this guy in March of this year proclaiming his recovery miracle. I have read this piece several times and still can not even determine the pretext for this article even being written. Maybe Mr. White is a very persuasive person.

    (b.) Featuring David White in a second fluff piece in July announcing Lewis County coalition receives grant to aid in addiction recovery efforts http://www.maysville-online.com/news/local/article_c0eb71ea-a812-11e0-9dff-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1ZvedVISI Yes, you are seeing right, David White transitioned from a 15-year prescription drug habit and a life of crime (by his own account) to a beacon of recovery light seen posing with Gil Kerlikowske, Director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy in less than four months.

    (c.) Then David appears in that piece in September regarding charges of fraud at the site of his personal miracle that got our attention here at Sinkin Thinkin’.

    (d.) September also found the Vanceburg Lions Club launching a new fund-raiser http: //www.maysville-online.com/news/local/article_0183074a-dd83-11e0-aaa4-001cc4c002e0.html

    (e.) Why is that fund-raiser pertinent? Because not two weeks later the Vanceburg Lions Club would be handing money to David White (not apparently the Little League, Shop with a Cop Program or the graduating seniors selected for scholarship awards mentioned in the article) and purchasing a building (!) for David White’s personal vision of a new site for miracles. http://maysville-online.com/news/local/article_9b008164-ed45-11e0-b4be-001cc4c03286.html So, less than one year from jabbering grifting con-man (by his own account) to icon of the local recovery community holding the keys to the kingdom and in charge of balancing the books. Even in stepper-grifter-time that’s pretty fast.

    It seems to me that David White is coming perilously close to shitting where he lives.

    As JR says, … hummm.

    I even think that I’ll live to see what both of these stalwart AAs™ were actually up to. It will be revealed and that they will pop up here on Stinkin’ Thinkin’ or here: http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Alcoholics+Anonymous on the USA Today Alcoholics Anonymous Topic Page (which amazingly includes both AA fluff and AA crime blotter articles).

    Thanks for staying on top of this story JR.

    **Speaking of laying odds. I’ll lay even money that Misty Maynard is a Stepper. Any takers?

  • AnnaZed

    Oh and (yes), I’m gonna go there. Curtis Oliver is black, a very very rare thing in Stepper circles; probably more so in Kentucky.

    That is not to say that Curtis didn’t grift the thousand dollars (he probably did), but to say that David White’s meteoric rise would not be possible without David White’s early exercise of rigorous honesty™ and I’m suspicious of his motives.

  • REPONSE:
    (a.) Printing the one fluff piece (linked above) on this guy in March of this year proclaiming his recovery miracle. I have read this piece several times and still can not even determine the pretext for this article even being written. Maybe Mr. White is a very persuasive person.

    White is well-known locally, mostly for his golf success, and his story was one of interest to our readers.

    (b.) Featuring David White in a second fluff piece in July announcing Lewis County coalition receives grant to aid in addiction recovery efforts http://www.maysville-online.com/news/local/article_c0eb71ea-a812-11e0-9dff-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1ZvedVISI Yes, you are seeing right, David White transitioned from a 15-year prescription drug habit and a life of crime (by his own account) to a beacon of recovery light seen posing with Gil Kerlikowske, Director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy in less than four months.

    Since David White became involved in recovery efforts, it’s been hard not to include him in the stories. He’s very active.

    (c.) Then David appears in that piece in September regarding charges of fraud at the site of his personal miracle that got our attention here at Sinkin Thinkin’.

    David was the whistleblower for the theft. He said he began distancing himself from Oliver weeks before he called police because of suspicions he had regarding Oliver’s behavior. Without someone to tell me otherwise, I have no reason to doubt his statements. He reported the theft of $3,000 in grant money, but the police investigated the report. Oliver was charged (and later pleaded guilty to a reduced charge). Oliver paid restitution for the missing $3,000.

    (d.) September also found the Vanceburg Lions Club launching a new fund-raiser http: //www.maysville-online.com/news/local/article_0183074a-dd83-11e0-aaa4-001cc4c002e0.html

    Bingo was the Lions Club’s primary fund-raiser but as it was not bringing in the revenue it previously had, they’re trying something new. It doesn’t detract from the value of the organization.

    (e.) Why is that fund-raiser pertinent? Because not two weeks later the Vanceburg Lions Club would be handing money to David White (not apparently the Little League, Shop with a Cop Program or the graduating seniors selected for scholarship awards mentioned in the article) and purchasing a building (!) for David White’s personal vision of a new site for miracles. http://maysville-online.com/news/local/article_9b008164-ed45-11e0-b4be-001cc4c03286.html So, less than one year from jabbering grifting con-man (by his own account) to icon of the local recovery community holding the keys to the kingdom and in charge of balancing the books. Even in stepper-grifter-time that’s pretty fast.

    Recovery is important and LC has no recovery facility, so it is not unusual that a community service organization would step in to aid with the facility. I didn’t know when the fund-raiser story was printed, however, that the Lions Club had anything to do with the efforts to find a building for the recovery facility.

    BTW, other buildings had been looked at as possibilities but had fallen through for one reason or another.

    **Speaking of laying odds. I’ll lay even money that Misty Maynard is a Stepper. Any takers?

    I am not a stepper. I’ve never been to a 12-step meeting because I’ve never abused alcohol or drugs. I do think the meetings can benefit some people. And at least those running the meetings are trying to help and not tearing down the efforts of other people.

  • Thanks for stopping by Misty. I did notice you said that you have never been to a 12 Step meeting because you have never abuse alcohol or drugs. I was just wondering what you think about children, who have never abused alcohol or drugs, being exposed to 12 Step meetings at schools when they are visited by members of Alcoholics Anonymous to give speeches? These meetings are usually mandatory and the children must attend. Do you think this is right?

  • In other news. Curtis Oliver, reported by Misty Maynard Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:00 pm-

    “The former director for the Maysville-based drug recovery agency Never Alone, Never Again will serve 30 days in jail after pleading guilty to criminal attempt of theft by deception over $500 Wednesday, in Mason County District Court.”

    Read more: http://maysville-online.com/news/local/article_372e26b6-ef96-11e0-ad5b-001cc4c002e0.html

  • AnnaZed

    Well, was it
    $500 (as per his guilty plea and the circumstances accepted by the court), or
    $1,000 (as originally reported) or
    $3,000 (that Misty Maynard thought and posted today ~ the day after the plea was accepted by the court)
    that Curtis Oliver stole?

  • AnnaZed

    A plea bargain to a lesser amount? Why?

  • I had never really considered the issue of kids being exposed to a 12 Step meeting by members making speeches at schools. I’d have to give it some thought. I did think that part of the system was that it was anonymous, and that seems to go out the window with members making speeches…Also, it seems a bit pre-emptive to expose kids to those meetings. Are the speeches in support of 12 step meetings? Or just messages against drugs and alcohol?

    Curtis Oliver stole $3,000+. The way the charges work in Kentucky it doesn’t give a specific amount. For instance, he was charged with theft (I can’t remember if it was by unlawful taking or by deception) over $1,000 because the amount was over $1,000.

    When Oliver paid it back (restitution was made), the prosecutor agreed to reduce the charge to a misdemeanor, so it was criminal attempt theft over $500. The actual amount he stole didn’t change, but the charge was changed as part of the plea agreement.

  • Misty, I’m so glad you dropped by to clarify some of these points. While you’re here, I was hoping to direct your attention to the Keep Coming Back page and archive. It might give you a clear picture of why we have homed in on this story.

    http://stinkin-thinkin.com/keep-coming-back/

  • ilse —

    I had never heard of this website until someone emailed me a link to mention my story was showing up here. I actually almost didn’t get the email because it went into my spam folder, but I checked it late today and read with interest the comments.

    I have taken some time to read through some of the reasons why the website was started and it’s interesting. I can’t say that I agree 100 percent with everything I’ve read, but it’s definitely food for thought, especially since my experience with 12 step meetings is so limited. Most of what I know about the 12 step meetings is based on what you might call propaganda from those who run or attend the meetings. I’ve never actually attended one of the meetings and kind of always took it for granted those involved were sincere in their efforts to promote recovery. That may sound a bit misguided so I will clarify that I know there are people who exploit programs and people for their own benefit, and I’m sure 12 step meetings are no exception.

    I also knew when David White agreed to talk to me about the theft the story would be a big story, at least for our area, because Curtis had many people on his side. He not only was director for NANA, but was also chair of the board for a regional group whose intent is to help ex-offenders re-enter society. I was actually working on a story about the group when I first got wind of the theft. I did finish the story, but I opted not to use him as a source, for obvious reasons.

    I will check on the Keep Coming Back page. Thanks.

  • SoberPJ

    Misty.. I did a search on your news site on your name. Have you really written nearly 2,400 articles? If so, wow ! You also seem pretty level-headed and if you are an investigative journalist you have actually stumbled upon one of the largest medical controvesies of modern times. There is a lot to digest here and I welcome and emplore you to do the research. It is a fascinating debate and the stakes for society are immense. Stick around and see what you learn. It is way more interesting and intellectually stimulating than high-drama controversy over dog ownership 🙂

  • Sally

    Misty,

    You said you aren’t a stepper and that you have never been to a meeting.

    You are also a reporter and facts are your business. Of course your entitled to your opinion that “meetings can benefit some people”, but your making a public statement using your real “name”. I’d of thought that to protect your rep. you would investigate 12 step meetings further before making that claim. Otherwise your future articles will in fact seem biased. You heard things, and then made an assumption based upon previous puff.

    People that run the meetings are just the same as people that attend. No one knows who they are, what their background is, education, or intentions. It cannot even be a reasonable assumption that they are doing it to help others. Often times that service position is pushed on others by their sponsor or the group so that it will help their own recovery.

    All I can ask is please don’t make assumptions. Maybe go undercover and play the part. Find out what is really going on. At the least you can make your claims based on experience and at the most you will get a lot of insight as to how the program really works.

  • Sally

    Misty, Please take into consideration that i was writing my comment and didn’t notice your most recent post until after I entered mine. Thanks.

  • SoberPJ

    I’ve really got to learn how to speil. Controversies and implore … sheez

  • SoberPJ — I had no idea the actual count of stories, but I’ve been a reporter for several years and the paper I work for has a policy for how many stories are produced daily by the reporters. I wouldn’t call myself an investigative journalist. I really don’t think I deserve the title. Most of what I do is community news.

    The 12-step meetings are something that, honestly, I just never really gave a lot of thought to, but since it has been brought to my attention in this manner I admit I am intrigued to find out more. I will definitely be doing a little more reading.

    BTW, your crack about the dog story made me smile.

    Sally — I have only known one person who has regularly attended a 12-step meeting, it was an AA meeting. The man is an alcoholic but when I knew him he had been sober for 20+ years. I’ve always been of the mindset that 12 step meetings could help with recovery, but I also think that a person has to be ready for recovery and the meeting is just the vehicle they choose to help them along the way.

    On the other hand, I was told recently by someone who went to their first NA meeting (voluntarily) how many went to the front at the end of the meeting to get their “proof” of attendance. They were only there because it was court-ordered and that did make me question how the meetings could be effective.

    I don’t know that I’ll be attending any local meetings because my name is fairly well known in the community and I don’t know that I could do it “undercover.”
    I also wouldn’t want to start any rumors about my personal life that could tarnish my reputation.

    I try not to make assumptions, it’s just something that never really crossed my mind to question too closely. I will try to keep an open mind — and a watchful eye — henceforth.

  • Misty wrote:

    I’ve never actually attended one of the meetings and kind of always took it for granted those involved were sincere in their efforts to promote recovery. That may sound a bit misguided

    Misty, You’re not misguided at all. It’s definitely true that AA meetings are populated with sincere people looking for help, and looking to help. Most people who walk in are vulnerable and believe that they can place their trust in AA. That’s what makes the court mandates and the general lack of accountability in the rooms such a nightmare — a recipe for abuse.

  • causeandeffect

    Hi Misty, welcome! Please keep in mind that most of us have had varying degrees of involvement in 12 step so-called recovery. There are also a few who have significant others who became involved. There is one woman who was in AA for 36 years. We are all calling it for what it is, and documenting it all, the truth, right here. I’m so glad you’re interested. It’s an endlessly fascinating subject of how superstitious faith healing religious indoctrination came to be considered the premier, no, the only way to recover. Not to over burden you, but if you’re interested, here’s something we all consider essential reading.

    http://orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html

    http://orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a0.html

    You could, in fact spend months reading this site. I have found nothing he’s said to be in error. AA members sincerely believe in what they are doing. Unfortunately, they have been mislead, and so has most of society. Most people, like you, think it’s a legitimate way to get sober, when in fact, all things considered, it’s amazing anybody can sober up while in AA. AA actually makes it sooo much more difficult because their methods defy, well, defy everything one needs to get sober or progress in life. Strange, but true.

    • matt

      Good lord. The way u throw the word truth around youd think u might know the difference between opinion and fact. Just because u have found a bunch of like-minded ppl to comiserate about AA with, doesnt mean ur hate of 12 step groups is “truth”…. U seem to have confused otherwise strangers from meetings with an evil entity. Its likely that half the ppl u met at meetings felt as bad about being there as u did. How can u be taken seriously when the way u talk about AA, one might get the idea that ur being paid $100 for every stupid thing u say. Im so curious why so many ppl on this site kept going to meetings long after the feeling of hating the program came into being.

  • SoberPJ

    Misty.. glad you enjoyed the crack about the dog .. I am to please … it aligns with when Steve Jobs met with John Scully while he was at Coca Cola, and Steve said, “John, do you want to make colored sugar water all your life, or do you want to change the world?”

  • SoberPJ

    aim … dammit … I aim to please …..

  • causeandeffect

    SPJ, firefox browser has a built in spell check function. Not a grammar function though.

  • SoberPJ

    Thanks… so, are you saying my grammar sucks too ??? 🙂

  • causeandeffect

    No SPJ, me do. 🙂

  • AnnaZed

    Pepsi … damn it … not Coke!

    I love that story though.

    Misty, thank you so much for coming to this site and reading even part of is voluminous offerings. I am sorry that I took such a snippy suspicious line about you. Sometimes being on the 12-step critical side makes me a bit paranoid. I think I see steppers in the trees. Good thing no one took my bet.

    You don’t know it (because stepism is designed to obscure it from you) but you occupy a crucial position in the 12-step gestalt. From its very inception AA (the big daddy of all 12-step theology and the origin of all of stepism’s central tenets) has especially courted the fourth estate. I am sure that your paper, if not you personally, has been the recipient of the annual AA letter to media thanking them for their continued cooperation in preserving the anonymity of its members in news stories. Here it is:
    http://www.aa.org.au/health-media/anonymity-letter.php

    Here at this site we have formed the opinion that this screen of anonymity obscures many things ~ some of which are not so good for the culture at large. You may know a person who was once an obvious alcohol abuser, maybe even an alcohol dependent person, who has had a good experience in AA and credits their sobriety (maybe even a sobriety of decades) to participation in a 12-step group. They do exist (they represent about 5% of AA participants) and I wouldn’t deny them their path to better health, but the intrusion of this religious solution so far into public life that it has virtually co-opted then entire addiction treatment apparatus of our nation is wrong.

    In the Curtis Oliver story I saw a story that we have seen time and time again on this site that is roughly trusted stepper leader steals from the group. It happens so often that we make very rude jokes about it around here. Yet, I wonder why Mr. Oliver’s religious solution failed him when he had access to that money. Could it be because stepism told him that he was powerless over his problem (which I understand to be gambling) and that only God (not himself) could grant him relief? Many religious people when faced with the reality of what stepism teaches are actually appalled, but so few people really know.

    Then we get to Mr. White. Someone outside of so-called recovery circles would be forgiven for not realizing that a person who claims to have beaten a 15 year prescription drug addiction is not usually placed in a position of responsibility with money only four months into his new-found sober life. For one thing relapse (which with prescription drug addicts often involves larceny) is just considered part of recovery in twelve-step circles. His new religion (stepism) tells him that he only has a reprieve from his addiction one day at a time and that it is granted by God. Mr. White himself has no agency under the 12-step rules of engagement. During this, his first year, he quite likely is in the flush of 12-step fervor known to steppers as the pink cloud. When the cloud disperses, usually at just over one year, the trouble can really start. Yet, the teachings of stepism write an automatic pass for relapse, an explanation that in the mind of many addicts translates into rationalization. It’s very faulty logic and it fails people more often than not. The bizarre cognitive dissonance of stepism often results in suicide as a matter of fact. Now Mr. White has a house bought for his venture by the well-meaning Lions Club and a budget and bank account at his disposal. It looks like a prescription for disaster to me.

  • Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of our Fellowship and assures our members that their recovery will be private. SO why do so many pro AA stories print their entire names. aka Jane Lynch, Edie Falco, Susan Cheever, Bill Wilson? Often, the active alcoholic will avoid any source of help which might reveal his or her identity.
    Alcoholics Anonymous is not affiliated with any other organization, …really??? NCAAD and th emany others. although many have adapted AA’s Twelve Steps for their own use. AKA Betty Ford <hazelton and 95 % of all treatment & rehabs because they are cheaper to run if they hire AA/NA members who have no special degrees.
    AA is self-supporting, declining any outside contributions; …No it's not. It gets half od its income by selling books to Prisons, rehabs & treatment Centers who are not AA members. and we are non-professional, …YES you are. You apy yourselves in NY 6 Million a year in salaries….offering only the voluntary support of one alcoholic helping another. REally? But when someone is sexually harassed by a predatory member you say "well , it's up to the group!"
    Throughout the world, favorable media coverage has been a principal means of bringing alcoholics into our Fellowship. You have helped make this possible, and for that we thank you.
    If you are a professional and wish us to send you further information please e-mail us your postal mailing address so that we may send you the material.

    Bullshit!

  • Sally

    c&e, annaZ, and spj,

    Thanks for the laugh re: spelling, grammer, and the on going debate between Coke and pepsi!

  • AnnaZed — No worries about the comment about me. I’ve heard worse 🙂 That’s all part of being a reporter, I suppose.

    This website definitely has a lot of reading material!

    I haven’t seen that letter, though that doesn’t mean it hasn’t been mailed to the paper. I did see a copy of a letter on this website, or else it was a link from this website. I read it with interest.

    I don’t remember what the story was about now but once several years ago I was asked not to print someone’s name who I was interviewing and who was involved with a 12-step group. I was told the anonymity was to protect the group because if people know a person is succeeding in AA (or NA) then they relapse, it hurts the group’s image. I was also told the failure of one person does not translate into the failure of the group. It actually made sense to me at the time, or at least I didn’t question it. The story wasn’t about a 12-step program, though, but about the person and I had to use the person’s name.

    You may be right about the stats (the 5 percent it works for, or so), I had never really heard statistics for the actual rate of success. It would be hard to track without having names or some method for prolonged accountability.

    I do think David White’s intentions are good and it’s not solely his initiative in starting the group in LC. Actually, from what I understand David’s role early on was relatively small. Curtis actually attended the drug forum meetings in the beginning because the intent was to start a “Never Alone Never Again” center in LC. Curtis’ involvement ended and the group of people in LC opted to pursue an independent facility, but as David is a LC resident and had some experience with NANA, he remained involved.

    I hope with the forming of a board there will be solid accountability for the facility, New Beginnings.

    And despite everything I’ve read, I hope that New Beginnings is able to meet at least some of the need in LC. The county has absolutely nothing to support recovery.

  • SoberPJ

    Actually, everyone with a computer has access to a multitude of recovery solutions. If they don’t have a computer, they can use the one at the library. From there, AA and 12 Step methods are not the only models of recovery and local professionals can band together to provide additional, secular assistance. People just don’t know these things exist. Misty, I am beginning to see your role here. Sometimes it takes a little while to connect the dots, but the dots, they are a connectin.

  • SoberPJ — What would you think my role is here?

    I’ll google other recovery models. I’m curious as to what might be out there.

    Thanks.