You Can Tune a Piano, But You Can’t Mondotune Him Out

Guess who crawled out of his troll hole! Yep. Just when you think you’re rid of him, he’s back, and he’s going viral. Like a scorching case of herpes. Be careful if you’re linked in any way to this blog. He’s in stalking mode. This is a fairly innocuous and ridiculous comment he made the other day at Scientific American. If you see him around, make sure you tell him “howdy.”:

“Bankole comes out of the woodwork when celebrities get into trouble behind their drinking.

Because he’s paid by pharma companies to develop meds for alcoholism you can expect he’d pump that approach at every opportunity.

I imagine if he ever finds one that works it’s likely that he’ll go ahead and say something about it. In the meantime all he can give is generalities that meds are a great way to go for alcoholism.

The next time the interviewing reporter hears that meds work really well and are evidence based treatment, perhaps the reporter will ask to be shown the evidence that these meds are working as well as BJ and his pharma buddies want us to believe.

Next time, maybe.”

JD, Cabledude, Mondotuna, Jerry, Mr Guestperson. An AA and troll. Commenting in Scientific American.

 

  • Jonny Quest

    He has been back on SR as “cabledude” – I was going to post about it, but I figured I’d let it go.

  • Seriously, MA. Can’t you let the poor man say mean shit to people in peace?

  • MA

    I feel sorry for the guy. Well, as sorry for a sociopath as one can feel. His life, his identity is AA. He’s got some psych issues that probably should have been addressed over these last few decades he’s spent in AA. Now he’s in a foreign country, living with another nutbag (have you seen her work? holy hell she’s krazier than he is). He’s probably lonely, can’t get his fix of AA abuse, and takes it out on the poor saps he finds on the internet.

    He does have a nice following of sheep from his Molly site, but that’s not the same as having someone under your thumb live and in person.

  • causeandeffect

    I think when he first showed up here, I speculated that even the steppers in his homegroup couldn’t tolerate him. They probably say, “Oh gawd, here comes Jerry. Quick! Act like we’re talking about something private! Oh jeez, here he comes anyway.”

    Or did I say that about the other sociopath? I can’t remember. They should get together. JD could bait diablo into drinking, and diablo could take JD for a spin around the block in back of his new car, on the end of a rope.

    It’s really hard to imagine someone so extremely toxic having sheep. But then again, there are two-headed sheep. Hahaha!

  • raysny

    I hadn’t seen the responses to this article. sir bill writes:
    “The 12 steps of AA were derived from the work, writings etc of William James, CG Jung, the Oxford Group etc. And in turn became the basis for much of modern psychology, even though it receives little credit. Modern group therapies probably would not exist without AA’s formation and successes.”

    Wow, just wow.

  • FKABB

    I didn’t know his SO had a public persona, but one would have to bet (not knowing anything about her) that she is somewhat of a loon.

  • Andy M

    The $cientologists would just love that rap about “big pharma” wouln’t they. A pity they didn’t throw L Ron Hubbard into the mix with the other phonyreligionist charlatans and claim him as an influence, but maybe that would be anakronistic (sic). It’s entirely possible that L Ron was influenced by Wilson’s example as well as by fellow occult enthusiast Aleister Crowley.

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  • Sally

    example of a controlling fixatOr.

  • MA

    FKAAB – His SO, Petra, is like Leona Helmsley without the charm. She also has multiple handles. She deleted here better comments after we outed JD, but we took screen shots. We’ll share some time when it’s a slow news day. And yes, Mondotuna picked this charmer up in AA.

  • Sally

    “If you want what we have to offer”

  • Mondotuna/cabledude/JD has become a class AA spreader of AA Dogma and dangerous principals devised by narcissistic sponsors in search of the “high” of manipulating peoples lives. He continually breaks the scripture of Bill Wilson by taking, or attempting to take other peoples inventory in an attempt to manipulate them. The Mondotuna/cabledude/JD’s of this world will be the downfall of corporate AA because people are starting to realize their agenda and it is starting to be publicized.

  • my son (yeah, again, awesome mother letting her 12-year-old read this over her shoulder…um, at least he’s reading) just wanted to know who “the red sox guy” was. 🙂

  • MikeAugustine

    Petra? That explains the german connection.

  • Ben Franklin

    Petra? you would think JD would have a fine Scottish lass considering all the 12 step calls he did there. A fairy tale princess even.

  • MikeAugustine

    Common first name for women there.

  • SoberPJ

    If she has a brain, she is going to start wondering if JD is lying to her like he lies to the rest of the world. And how she fits into his pro-AA agenda and if he is just using her to further that agenda. Only a matter of time…

  • Mona Lisa

    I don’t think JD/Mondo/Cabledude is representative of steppers generally. I really don’t. I don’t have a very high opinion of steppers in general, of course, but I think what we see in ol’ whatshisname is a couple orders of magnitude beyond the standard AA nutjob. It’s not so much the multiple internet handles that make me say this, it’s the multiple personalities, the continual pretense of being something he isn’t, the puerile approach to human relationships and the needless cruelty that have convinced me that he is quite off the charts.

  • I don’t believe that the standard 80/20 rule applies in AA to the rogue AA member that is the most dangerous. It is most likely around 1-10% of the real trouble makers. These are the ones who manipulate people, have multiple sponcees and are usually referred to by their piers as “Mr/Mrs/Miss/Mz AA.” They are the sociopaths that have learned the AA dogma to perfection and use it to get “high” on manipulating other people. They are charismatic and excellent liars. They have evolved into one of the most dangerous sociopaths in today’s society, because they have the power of multiple sponcees, admiration of other people in the program and Anonymity to do whatever they want to.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

  • Andy M

  • SoberPJ

    The transformation of David Byrne … that tune got waaay better over time.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    Sill good though. Sorry to go off on a tangent. Rattled by this stuff in London. Glad I moved out.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

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  • Lucy

    Raysny,

    A couple of days ago, an old sponsee called me after a meeting to tell me that a man said, “God told Bill Wilson what to say when he wrote down the 12 steps because He wanted AA to save the world. Modern science is just now discovering what Bill knew was true 100 years ago, and is using the 12 steps on everything from cancer to germs.”

    JD may not represent the mainstream of AA, but there are a lot of AA members who are self-absorbed, lonely, and believe that what they say is reality, in spite of any factual proof to the contrary.

  • causeandeffect

    Modern science using 12 steps on everything from cancer to germs?!?!!! Unbelievable. Simply WOW. Absolutely! mind blowingly! delusional!!!
    Lucy, what did your sponsee think of this?

  • flannigan

    I think using 12 steps “on everything from cancer to germs” would be a cost effective medical solution if it worked. Unfortunately……..

  • HI RAYNY- great to see you hear!

  • Lucy

    CandE,

    She was as stupified as I was. She called because she was upset that the people in the meeting nodded as if the person speaking was saying something so deep that it should qualify as “scripture” (which is another thing the religious nuts in this part of the world like to use as irrefutable “proof.”)

    She is a little like I was in my years in AA. She thinks that if she goes long enough, and sets a good example for people to follow, that people will be attracted to her sanity and stop being crazy. She doesn’t yet understand that you cannot reason with crazy, and, when you try (as I did), all you get is a growing list of anecdotes which would scare the hell out of misguided people who think AA us either safe or sound.

    Flanigan – As funny as that is, I am afraid that most tried and true AA members think prayer, meditation, working the steps and working with others IS more effective that medical care id. I know I have heard someone talk about quitting her heart medication and, because she didn’t immediately die, assumed that prayer was doing what a Lipitor nitroglycerin couldn’t. I know a great many AA members who think alcoholism is a medical illness and what works on alcoholism obviously works better than what those medical and pharmacy schools can concoct.

  • SoberPJ

    I got me a case of head lice and I been a usin the AA program to make them go away and so far it ain’t workin real well. I am a little confused though, should I be doin the 4th Step on them or should I be tryin to get them to do a 4th Step on me. I kinda need an answer real quick like, cause I think I got deer ticks too from the same campin trip where I got the head lice, and all this 12 Step stuff just seems to make them more hungry. Maybe I’m not in concious contact with the right gawd. Is there a specific gawd for infestations?

  • MW

    LMAO at this whole thread!! U guys rule.

  • Lucy

    SoberPJ – I think you have to find out what YOUR part was in getting head lice. Were you resentful about not sleeping at a Holiday Inn? Did you purposefully bare your pant leg to a deer tick? Are you trying to get Lyme’s disease as a selfish way to punish the person who made you camp? I strongly suggest that you make amends for your resentment about the camping trip, and, remember, when it comes to head lice, he who spots it gots it! If you don’t know how to make amends, call your sponsor, even though she hasn’t seen her kids in ten years, is under a wage garnishment by the IRS, and is sleeping with three different men in her home group. She might know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who has head lice, and experience counts.

    Oh yes, and pray for those head lice. They too, are children of God, and all of us are sometims sick.

    AA hugs!!!!!!
    Lucy

  • Swamibedpan

    @SPJ. I am deeply concerned at your predicament. I recommend scientology. For only about $300,000.00 they can safely remove your infestations, both interplanetary cooties and earthly ones.

  • Mona Lisa

    Do you guys think that the steps would help cure the herpes I got from the guy who 13th stepped me?

  • causeandeffect

    ROFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! (snort) AHAHAHAHHHHHAA! (cough cough) hahahaha ah, ah ah…… hahaha

    SPJ, my disease is telling my you’re funny!

  • Sally

    Well, if you transfer the herpes to someone else you can use the steps to make ammends and ALL WILL BE WELL.

  • SoberPJ

    Sure, they cure herpes, head lice, dear ticks, butt-crack leeches, cosmic cooties and alcoholism with exactly the same degree of efficacy.

    Oh, please, please quote me in the press on that one 🙂

  • Lucy

    MonaLisa, Now I have a resentment against that jerk.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    “In sleepy London town there ain’t no place for…” Er…times have changed, Mick.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    But, on a lighter note, I’m heartened to see that the looters are forming orderly queues and taking it in turns to get their flat-screen TVs, toasters etc. It restores my faith in human nature. Iwas beginning to think that good manners and consideration were a thing of the past in this country. Only in dear old blighty. I also used to grumble about youngsters today being listless and apathetic. Perhaps I was wrong.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    BTW
    Apologies for going off-topic again,but I just caught the tail end of some politician saying if this goes any further the government will have to use the army because the police can’t cope. I wonder whether I can successfully post the phrase “martial law” in the present cicumstances?

  • jeffeff

    I didn’t get at first. I Googled “Bankole” and got stuff about a crooked politician in Nigeria.

  • Jeffeff, do you still go to meetings? (I still bless you for giving me the biggest laugh of the year with your account of your errant sponsee) If you do still go to mtgs, do they talk about the growing opposition to AA? Do they advise people not to look at certain sites on the internet?

  • ttwirl, het i still wanna now yer 12 step timeline/history cuz i am so super nosy. i mean, i realize ya might not wanna tell it. so it is cool.

  • jeffeff

    I go to about two meetings a week, usually on Mondays and Wednesdays. I went last night. My friend with whom I text-message during Giants games chaired, so I probably paid more attention than I otherwise would have. His spiel included a lot of stuff about symptoms associated with physical dependence — which is something I almost NEVER hear about at meetings, and which was a big part of my experience. So that was good. Then of course he called on me to speak, including a little intro about how he always knows I’m at the meeting when I text-message him for the Giants score, and a lot of the folks looked at each other bewildered. So I said yeah, bla bla bla, physical dependence, phenomenon of craving, bla bla bla, who cares about whether or not they mean the Judeo-Christian “God” or not when you’re having a withdrawal seizure, etc.

    But to answer your question, no. The last thing anyone is ever going to hear at any of the meetings I attend currently or have attended in the past is about “opposition” to AA. Opposition to AA manifests itself chiefly by people simply not showing up anymore. And as you guys frequently note here, a lot AA people would have us believe that if someone stops showing up to meetings, that means he or she is drinking again, or worse. But I know several people for whom that isn’t the case. They simply decided the whole thing was lame and that there was nothing there for them, and they quit going.

  • Sally

    Jeff. You sound like a reasonable AA. Not many of those drop by here for a visit. Welcome.

  • jeffeff

    Thanks. I actually came across you guys quite a while ago. I can’t remember exactly how. I think FTG linked to some article in the local paper here. Anyway, I don’t know what about my experience has been such that I’ve turned out, as you put it, “reasonable”, but there you go.

  • When I last went to a meeting, I overheard a zealous 90/90 new person talking about how his sponsor had told him not to look at some sites because it would harm his recovery. Do you talk to your close friends in AA about opposition to AA? Do you go to keep yourself from drinking? Do you go for a social life? As you probably know, most AAs who come on here are complete zealots. Or hopeless bores, like Mr AA and the one who was given his own thread. Archie? Do you have any more sponsees? Do you tell them that they have a disease and must go to meetings and do the step thing? Have you looked at Massive’s site about 13 stepping? How did you end up in AA? Rehab? And thanks again for the laugh.

  • What proportion of people in meetings do you think are doubters? I am very curious about that one because I suspect that it is high, after the initial newcomer’s zealotry. What is the demographic of your groups? It seems to me that there are a few oldtimers and lots of churn, but nothing much in the middle.

  • watchingssinc., i did not know you still went. are you looking into not going or do you wanna go but sorta be “reasonable” very much like the above jeff? just curious. i think you were just asking jeff; however, i feel like man are doubts , but are afraid to speak up. i generally spoke up. but i think many people do not. when i usta be honest about thinking it was bullshit people, on occasion, would thank me for voicing how they felt.

  • jeffeff

    My first sponsor told me not to go to certain meetings, dismissing them by saying, “THAT’s not Recovery”. As it happens, one of the meetings he told me not to go to is one that I still attend to this day. I don’t know whatever happened to that guy. Seeing as how he was the then-survivor of two suicide attempts, he may not be with us anymore.

    But I do now have very close friends who also go to meetings, and their attitudes toward “The Program” vary wildly both in direction and degree — such that the same person will go from pro- to anti- and back again. We often talk about our reservations and doubts about AA — specifically the unwillingness or inability of so many people we see to, as is said, “Practice These Principles…”

    I don’t have any sponsees now, but I’m more or less open to the idea of being someone who would simply tell a newcomer what he or she could expect, explain the jargon, offer ideas as to why this person says this but does that, whereas the exact opposite is the case with another person, etc. One thing I WON’T do is “stick my hand out”, simply because the last thing I wanted when I was new was some grinning mook rolling up on me with his fired-up agenda — while I was worried about how I was gonna make rent that month at the halfway house.

  • Sue

    Jeff
    I was always suspicious of individuals who were overly eager to sponsor me. I viewed them as complete control freaks.

  • jeffeff

    Possibly. I tend to view them as insecure and fearful — eager to outwardly demonstrate their AA-ness lest they be deemed deficient by the group alphas or, as is often the case, their P.O.’s or case workers.

  • Violet, I have only been to a couple recently to confirm to myself the insanity. The latest had a woman sharing that she didn’t want to suffer anymore but that her sponsor had told her that she HAD to suffer. That went down very well with the meeting. And a man said that he had been psycopathic for the last 16 years. Same response. I don’t think I will go to any more. The one before that the suicide of an oldtimer with 20 years by hanging was used as proof that the program works, but he didn’t go to enough meetings. I just don’t think I can go to another. That is why Jeff is so useful. Please stay around, Jeff. The bloke who is currently clugging up the Why I left AA thread is far more representative of the steppers who post here. Jeff’s sponsee held up a pharmacy at knifepoint.

    Jeff, what proportion of people would you say go there for a social life?
    How many suicides have you known in AA and what is the reaction to them?

  • Sue

    Jeff,

    Thanks for expanding on sponsorship. Your right !!!!

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    Has anybody else noticed there’s something quite serious going on over here?

  • causeandeffect

    HOLY SHIT! THAT’S HORRIBLE!

  • jeffeff

    I would say that almost all of the people I see with any frequency at meetings go there for a social life as much as any other aspect. Such was my case that when I drank, I didn’t know anybody except for a couple of drinking buddies, so even to this day just having any kind of social life at all is a novelty to me — even if the socializing is with people I see primarily at AA meetings. It’s definitely a positive in my life. As you guys would probably surmise at this point, I don’t interact much with people you’d characterize as “zealots”, much less active criminals or predators.

    Other than the sponsor I mentioned previously — who was only an attempted suicide — I can’t say that I personally have known any suicides. I’ve heard of quite a few people who have died, but it wasn’t clear to me what the exact cause of death was. Significantly, some time after I left my last in-patient rehab, I asked what had become of the guy who was my counselor. I knew he had relapsed, and I was then told that “he killed himself”. I didn’t press for details. It could be that he deliberately overdosed, or hung himself or went by some other means by which people commit suicide. Or, it could be that he died of complications brought on by heavy drinking, and “killed himself” in that sense. I don’t know. But yes, it does happen. My reaction? Ummm . . . surprise, at least at first, I guess. These were people who, it seemed to me, had at least some autonomy and means to support themselves. If I had ever wanted to die, it was at the very end of my drinking and at the very beginning of my sobriety, when I was almost convinced that I had forever lost the ability to manage my own affairs.

  • Thanks Jeff.

    Cause and effect, a couple of days ago I told JRH that what happened in North London was a local incident. I am happy to admit that I may have underestimated the situation.

  • There was a sign on a shop saying ‘Due to the breakdown of society as we know it, we will be closing early’.

  • Sally

    Oh that’s awful.

  • Sally

    Jeff, doesn’t some of that seem too insane for you? Or, are you very confident in yourself, emotionally and otherwise, not to feel affected – become sad, or angry about it all?

  • Sally

    I’m not trying to be condescending.

  • jeffeff

    “Too” insane? I guess the answer would have to be no. Honestly, I observe as much if not more “insanity” elsewhere in my life (e.g. work) than I do at meetings.

    I suppose I’m a little sad and/or angry — but mostly I’m relieved and grateful that I somehow managed to come out the experience OK. Because as you guys well know, the deck is definitely stacked against anyone who finds himself or herself in a situation like I found myself.

  • Jeff – That is the best outcome that can happen. I commend you for coming here with an open mind. Not everyone in AA has really bad experiences and you do meet some very good people there. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and know enough to stay away from the ones that practice very bad tendencies.

  • Gustav

    After all the trouble and deceit by Mondotuna on the lifering forum, we now have the new moderator mkh106 (margit) recommending that people read some of the “wisdom” of the great guru, haha, what the feck is inside her head?, i suspected she was part of the mondo gang as she has close links to his other half (petra).

    From: mkh106 Aug-8 10:05 pm
    To: Rob (PiperPayer) (1450 of 1459)

    1703.1450 in reply to 1703.1449

    Rob,

    i wanted to re-read the post Mondo sent you last time, because i remebered that i found it useful, and you seemed to, too,and the ensuing conversations over your spread-out relapse last time(s).

    so i found it, and kept reading. it doesn’t sound like anything has changed for you, and i find myself wondering if you’re doing your own version of “harm reduction”. if you’re thinking, somewhere, that this would be okay. a few sober months, a few drinking weeks. alternate. repeat. certainly, re-reading all the “old” stuff made me see that i have nothing useful to contribute.

    only thing i can do is make it easier if you wanted to re-read a couple of months worth of conversations:1703.824 (this is the thread where the tuna spouts his a/a dogma)

    http://forums.delphiforums.com/lifering/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E

  • causeandeffect

    Gustav thank you for your update. I was wondering how things were going over there. Sorry margit is a not-so-closet stepper. It seems that your link leads to a registration page. Is that correct? Do you now have to register?

  • Mr Tobytwirl

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    Etc.,etc….
    To ignore this would be a bit like ignoring the outbreak of World War 2 (or World War 3 for that matter), in my opinion, and I make no apologies for posting these links, despite the fact that there is no immediate or obvious connection with the subject under discussion.
    There is also the consideration that we may not be able to enjoy the relative freedom of speech we now enjoy on the internet for very long and these images may soon be unavailable, or at least hard to find.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    Glad to see Mr Jones has (finally) begun to catch up on the situation here

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    Etc.,etc.,etc.
    Yes I am getting quite good at copy and paste. Anybody want to call me on that, under the circumstances? I mean this is not paranoia. This shit is really happening. And it may well be coming your way next.
    Yours
    Toby Twirl
    Unrepentant Lunatic Conspiracy Theorist (third class), Space Cadet Division.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    Going for a quiet pint now in a safe place with trusted people. Bye for now. Take care.

  • SoberPJ

    Toby/Andy … you are quite right. I am calling you out and this is not the place for your behavior or the content. If you want to make political statements and promote fear mongering and hysteria, take your pick of any number of sites dedicated specifically to that type of thing. To help you get started, go here http://directory.etalkinghead.com/

    If you need a reminder of what this blog is about, please refer to this link. http://stinkin-thinkin.com/about/ .

  • jeffeff

    Wow. I don’t think there’s been anything like that in U.S. since the Rodney King riots in LA in ’92. I had no idea. All that’s in the news here is Obama and the Republicans and the stock market crap. And the victory lap over bombing the “militants” who (it’s said) killed the guys who killed Bin Laden.

  • MA

    Toby – I deleted that shit. I don’t care if you want to make a political statement, or say anything else for that matter, but please don’t shut down the dialog like that. We’ve asked you this before.

  • Lucy

    Jeffeff, I saw more insanity in AA than I have seen in any other place in the world, and I live now with a person with bipolar disorder and have lived in some pretty crazy parts of SF during the drug-hazed 1960s. However, I was so used to crazy being normal, accepted behavior in AA that I became inured to it.

    I work in a shark eat shark business, but I have never seen my colleagues get into a fistfight over the choice of curtains for the breakroom. I have been to lots of funerals, but only in AA have I seen three different wives show up because the dead man neglected to tell his bereaved that he was a bigamist. I have been to lots of churches, but never in a church have I heard someone thank God that the man next to him left his wallet fall out of his pocket because the speaker needed money. I have been around a lot of drunks, but only in AA has one gotten up during a meeting to stagger to the bathroom to get the bottle he hid in the comode water. I live with a bipolar but never has he prayed to the heatlamp in his bathroom because Jesus was there, as one of my AA friends did when her sponsor told her to get off her medication. I could go onandonandon, but suffice it to say that most of my AA friends have been to more than one psychiatric facility (whether they called it a treatment center or not) and most of my non-AA friends have not.

    • MA

      I have been to lots of funerals, but only in AA have I seen three different wives show up because the dead man neglected to tell his bereaved that he was a bigamist.

      @ Lucy – This is hilarious. I just saw an old re-run of Cheers with this same plot. How did it all turn out?

  • watching straight, man, she *had* to suffer? wtf?

  • holy shit, i have said this very many times, but i need a lucy blog, like wicked badly.

  • MA

    I agree. We’ll start a series of AA stories from Anna and Lucy. They both have some good ones.

  • jeffeff

    That is outstanding stuff. NOW — I’m trying to decide whether to counter with the bipolar former boss who was ousted by Personnel after he (allegedly) took to screaming at a co-worker while following her down the street, OR — my former client who was convinced she was the adoptive daughter of the late physicist Ernest Lawrence. Or one of my AA stories.

  • Lucy

    MA – Well, that’s the thing. Not much happened at the funeral, other than them all unwittingly sitting together in the family section. It was only later when they all tried to file on his airline pension that they found out about each other. Wife number one, who I guess was his only real wife, was in Al-Anon and she told everyone who would listen.

    Anita Shreve later wrote a book about two wives in a similar situation from the viewpoint of the first wife. When I read it, I wondered if she might have heard the story from a member and then was told by a pilot cousin that a lot of pilots had multiple relationships in multiple cities

    MA & Violet – I literally just write down what I see. I suspect that Anna and I just notice more than other people do.

    Jeffeff – I have those non-AA loonie stories too. But, in non-AA situations, someone else besides me thinks that the person is crazy.

    After the pilot’s funeral, the club members just talked about how “he had time for everyone” and “really knew how to carry the message.” No, “Jesus! Did you know he had THREE wives?!!??”

  • Mona Lisa

    He really know how to carry SOMETHING, that’s for sure. (snark)

  • Mona Lisa

    I would love to read the Lucy and Anna stories. They are the best!

  • MikeAugustine

    Thanks, ma. I had toby pegged as a troll for a while now, but with 3 fingers pointing back at me who was I to judge?

  • groovecat

    thanx MA for shutting up Toby.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    Sober PJ
    Fuck off

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    MA
    I really don’t give a shit about your precious sensitivities. Some things are just more important than that. For fuck’s sake wake up!

  • SoberPJ

    Toby/Andy start your own blog and tell the world how important your perspective is. People need to know.

    To get you started, go here http://www.stephanmiller.com/my-link-lists/190-free-blog-hosts/

    Imagine, you can say anything you want, anytime you want, and as many times as you want, on your very own blog ! You’ll have fun, go for it.

  • WastedSpacer

    @Lucy – Good stuff.

    RE: “I have never seen my colleagues get into a fistfight over the choice of curtains for the breakroom” – sounds like that old adage about academic life: “University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small.”

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    Sober PJ
    My perspective doesn’t matter. It doesn’t change facts. Neither does yours.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    PS
    Blogging isn’t really my thing. I’m more interested in music and painting. Perhaps youl’d prefer it if I shut up and spent my time doing that? If so I promise to think about it..

  • SoberPJ

    Actually Toby/Andy perspective matters a lot. If I am sitting in a sea of 400,000 people in Somalia and I and my family are literally starving to death, I wouldn’t give a rats ass about some disenfranchised youth in a far away country that set a few fires, broke windows and looted the trappings of affluent society. If you are an artist you should know the value of perspective. Keep calm, the world isn’t ending. Well, it is, but not today. Eventually, when the sun goes nova it all returns to space dust.

  • Sue

    Toby said; “Blogging isnt really my thing.”

    “Boy, you could have fooled me.”

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    PJ
    Funny you should mention the end of the world being supposedly imminent. We’ve been bombarded for some time with the message that it’s going to end next Tuesday (or was it Wednesday?) I doubt that too. At least we can agree on that. But your comment about “a few fires” breaking out in a distant country leaves me speechless.
    Well actually it doesn’t. It reminds me of the words of Neville Chamberlain concerning the invasion of Czechoslovakia. That’s if I remember the name of the diddly-squat little country concerned correctly.
    This, on the other hand, is happening in England.
    Some of us live here.

  • Mr Tobytwirl

    PS
    Sorry to hear you’re literally starving.

  • tully

    From: Mondotuna 05:40
    to: JingleJo 4 of 6

    10830.4 in reply to 10830.3

    Welcome here Jo, it’s a good thing you took the chance and posted. I think you’ll get more comfortable with AA as you talk with people who do understand.

    I went to a few meetings here and there over 6 years, often after drinking a few because being around people made me anxious. Going to an AA meeting was serious business because it meant I had a problem I didn’t want to have. Opening up to that possibility was obviously difficult for me.

    It made a difference when I began talking with the AA members. I could see they weren’t as I feared they’d be. Something similar might happen as you interact on the forum.

  • tully
  • BobbiL

    Been following Mondotuna soapy and look in here now and then. I got banned from their Molly group for just reading not realizing it was Mondos group. Can’t go anywhere he aint. Ive just decided from them all that AA is bullshit. There was a Nifti which is the Scottish connection and then a bluebook Gail thats Daily Strength connection. where can you go for addiction support thats welcomin and not run by extremists?? theyre running recovery sites all over the net. Scary and dangerous.

  • MA

    Check your email, Bobbi. I sent you something that may interest you.