Ted Williams’ Concern Trolls

I’ve been working on a post about Ted Williams and the recovery ghouls that have been so deeply concerned about him, predicting a relapse — which they preemptively blame on success rather than on an ineffective program that eschews genuine coping skills.

But the whole subject is really making me sick — I’ve read so much disingenuous hand-wringing from so many opportunistic creeps. Williams’ own sponsor is nothing compared to likes of Dr. Phil and Dr. Drew. It’s not going to be fame that does Williams in; it’s going to be these heavyweight recovery quacks.

Anyway, it turns out the Williams never was “clean and sober” and has checked himself into rehab.

So, here’s a Williams thread, if you want to talk about it.

  • hulahoop

    ftg – the "own sponsor link" doesn't work for me. I've followed the headlines on this story but have not actually read anything about it nor heard Mr. Williams sing.

    From the article (CNN, I think) "Williams' third appearance with Dr. Phil, taped after his decision to enter rehab, will air Thursday, the statement said. His ex-wife, Patricia, and five family members will also appear on Thursday's episode "to share their version of the incident and why they feel Williams is ill-equipped to handle his sudden fame," it said.

    Ill-equipped to handle his sudden fame? Well you bet your ass Dr. Shill isn't ill-equipped to jump right in there and "help" Mr. Williams along. That is as long as Mr. Williams story stays in the news and Dr. Shill can make a buck off of it himself. I am not a psychic or anything but I totally see and feel Mr. Williams ending up being the homeless drunk NOBODY gave a damn about he was before anyone like Dr. Shill took an interest in him. Of course, Dr. Shill and the sponsor will say it was because he didn't work a good program or want it badly enough. He left five minutes before the miracle happened. Yeah, so did I. Don't beat yourself up about it. I don't.

    I call B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T! Seriously…bullshit. You don't see Dr. Shill (who by the way is not a DR. at all) doing shows on how he single handedly goes out to help the down trodden and unfortunate to live a better of life. Oh, hell no. Most people don't give a shit about them. Neither does Dr. Shill. Not good ratings. No real revenue in that. Fucking quack.

    Hopefully Mr. Williams will seek real, bonafide help and his family will encourage him to do so. And so will that ex wife of his too.

  • hulahoop

    Third appearance my ass. Third milking of this story by a quack with no real medical degree. Next thing you know, Oprah herself will be having Mr. Williams on her show too. That is if the ratings are good for Dr. Shill. Assholes.

  • hulahoop

    Sorry to over post…But heeeeyyyy wait a minute…it would actually be good for Dr. Shill if this guy does not achieve sobriety and ends up back on the streets. Think about it. Dr. Shill could "rescue" him a SECOND time and get even more ratings and more money. The family could all benefit too!

    Shit, oh dear. Think of the free advertising AA and the twelve step industry will receive. Think of how many victims of bad afternoon daytime televison watching will be headed to the 12 steps to going absolutely, fucking nowhere but in a big, fat circle in a hurry or demanding their loved ones go. Ack!

  • Lucy

    If they wanted to help him, they would butt out.

    I feel sorry for him and his family. This whole thing is such a mind fuck.

  • tintop

    Those people need to get away and stay away.

    They are only out for what they can get.

  • AnnaZed

    I find Ted particularly heartbreaking; yet during this debacle I have just kept hoping that he is one of those 5% for whom AA works. It could happen. Really beaten down people, homeless people and the like, sometimes really like AA. I don't care if they use him for a poster-boy.

    That said, with these predatory life-sucking bastards on his back I don't see how he could possibly succeed. Dr. Phil is a disgrace even to television, which is saying something. That site put up by his sponsor (how do you know that?) is just sad. He could use a real ball-busting Hollywood agent that was on HIS side who wouldn't allow these scum-sucking monsters anywhere near him.

    How exactly is stripping this guy of any vestige that he might have of self-esteem and telling him that he is powerless and worthless supposed to help him? Even if this weren't offensive how much evidence is needed before it is demonstrated that for most people it simply doesn't work? The sad thing is that when it doesn't work Ted himself will be blamed, derided and shunned. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a suicide a year or so from now.

    Years ago, in another life, I was offered a job working for a wonderful brilliant actor who was directing his first film. I was myself a pretty extravagant alcohol abuser at the time (really very excessive) but having run into him a couple of times I said that no way, no how, would I work for him. I declared him simply too fucked up to function, famous or not. Then a contact of mine whom I trust called me and said that "no" it was ok, the guy was clean and really a pleasure to work with. I hadn't been through the 12-step ringer myself yet (though I had attended a few meetings and each time questioned directly the obvious religious nature of the thing, then left) so I had no idea what any of this was about.

    It turns out that famous actor/director had been literally living with his manger and the manger's family for over a year. The wife, the kids, everybody just hung out with him all day everyday. He went nowhere without someone with him and he just came to realize the merits of not being a drunk and stoned asshole combined with the merits of making lots of money and doing his art (which is great). We did the film (which won the top BAFTA that year) and he has gone on to do great things, straight as a die without lapsing into drunken debauchery to this day. I have no idea if he drinks in moderation. I think that he doesn't because I read that somewhere (though who knows). What I do know is that the out-of-control, embarrassing, even dangerous, mess that he was has not re-emerged and that he does one great thing after another.

    My point is that if Ted had someone like that totally invested in him being able to function and willing to just stay the course coupled with access to real doctors who might treat his mental health issues he might have a chance.

  • causeandeffect

    This was so predictable. Anyone who has been to AA could see it coming. AA does nothing to prepare anyone for success, much less fame. Success=ego=drinking. Now they are making a mockery out of him. It doesn't even matter whether or not he's been drinking, although I'm sure he had, considering he probably believes the dogma. All that matters is the accusation. If he were to deny it, it would mean he's in denial, not rigorously honest etc. He's become merely an example. I can hear the old timers pontificating now…

  • JD

    C&E…sure you want to stick with that 'No AAs are successful or famous' tripe?

  • @AnnaZed "That site put up by his sponsor (how do you know that?) is just sad."

    If you click on the "about us" tab, the page says, "Battle Plan Promotions," which is Alfred Battle's business.

  • Check the "press" page, too.

  • Lucy

    Causeandeffect – On the money.

    One of our elderly group members admitted that he had stalked Richard Burton for days while he was here in town for a play. Then he went after Gordon Macrae when he sang at

    hotel.

    And everytime a celebrity came to town, there was a circle around them of people "trying to help." One of the celebrities (whom I knew separately from AA through family members) told me that he had been lovebombed and then later asked for a "loan" by the guy whom he had asked to sponsor him.

    That aside, we could do a whole website on the "borrowings" that never get repaid. the embezzlements of treasuries, and the "business deals" where the oldtimers live off the people that come in with money.

  • DeConstructor

    Is he in Dr. Phil's rehab La Hacienda?

    I smell a 3 or 4 day life changing event series on Phil with this dude as the star.

    Once again the peers of Phil should speak out regarding his PT Barnum antics. He should have had his license yanked during the times he tried to intervene with Briittney Spears and Lindsay Lohan, and discussing their cases many times on national TV.

    I guess HIPAA confidentiality rules do not apply to people that have the blessing of Oprah.

  • hulahoop

    @JD – C&E…sure you want to stick with that ‘No AAs are successful or famous’ tripe?

    Sorry Sugar, not c&e, BUT, unfortunately so many celebrities and other famous folks use AA and the Betty Ford Clinic as a means of getting sober to boost their sagging careers and to draw attention to themselves. It's folks like them who are screwing up your old timers meetings and bringing all of those NOT REAL ALCOHOLICS in to the AA fold. Some of us are so impressionable that we actually buy in to the bullshit. Some people are so desperate that they think it worked for that Downey Jr. guy and they can't wait to sign up. It is trendy to go rehab or AA right now via all those successful and famous people you are referring to. Sorry the pitiful masses are screwing up your good time at AA.

    Shoot an email to Dr. Phil, Oprah, or Dr. Drew or your local judge to voice your unhappiness for them helping to disturb your happy environment within the confines of AA.

    Peace, love, and serenity to you. Thanks for commenting today. (((JD!!!))))

  • hulahoop

    PS…Anna, you rock! Really. Loved the post.

  • causeandeffect

    JD, could it be perhaps that you are deeply entrenched in the habit of looking only at the exceptions to the rule which reinforce your erroneous belief system?

  • c&e sez: "AA does nothing to prepare anyone for success, much less fame."

    JD sez: "C&E…sure you want to stick with that ‘No AAs are successful or famous’ tripe?"

    JD, How did you come to that interpretation of c&e's comment?

  • So typical of the recovery community to claim this one as their own yet what about the years of failure that preceded this man's sudden 'awakening'? What I find most tragic is the fact that this person is being paraded before the world as some form of miracle when in actuality he is just being exploited. Sickening!

  • hulahoop

    @lucy That aside, we could do a whole website on the “borrowings” that never get repaid. the embezzlements of treasuries, and the “business deals” where the oldtimers live off the people that come in with money.

    Well sheeiiittt Lucy, maybe this site could offer up an amends page. It could be interesting and highly entertaining at the same time.

  • johnny crash

    Seems that he was drinking all along well um ahhh thats his choice I really don't care he's not sick he,s a master manipulator con man … my problem is he was a media sensation that the press always seems to find when issues like the economy health care and economics need to be avoided he was the it boy last week this week its Jared Loughner another card carrying "substance abuser" Govt has been stopped for another week the economy avoided another week the Gov of Arizona said I was supposed to talk about the budget but nows not appropriate lets talk about "Gabby" instead … well tell that one to a bill collector if your spouse dies … you loose your job … or shit tell them you was drinking see how far that gets ya… Even the President is dodging this week courtesy of a "drunk" and the elimination of a low level govt official if she would have died from natural causes would Govt stop?? …So screw Ted Williams he wants to drink himself to death thats fine by me not one cent of my tax dollars to fix him … not one penny … call me selfish

  • Gunthar2000

    This is a common AA message… Don't try to succeed at anything because your ego will cause you to relapse. You need to be in recovery all of the time or you are doomed.

  • Lucy

    Hula – heard VERBATIM and without IRONY from the AA wife of an AA treasurer who had lifted $14,000 from a club (with a $22,000 annual overhead and which was surviving on "donations" from "pledges");, "If they didn't want him to steal the money, they shouldn't have had so much in the treasury!"

    Not prosecuted. Bought a new car.

  • Lucy

    And JD _ I know lots of successful (outside) AAs. I also know that they are constantly chided for not going to enough meetings, not chairing or doing 12th step work, and not sponsoring. I know that they therefor are not the Clancys, the Gene S. or any of the circuit speakers, BBE runners or gurus of groups.

  • joedrywall

    I am going with Howard Stern on this one. I think this whole Rags to Riches thing is a sham. I do however, think that Ted Williams(good name nobody will forget it) could pass for Barrack Obama's father.

  • AnnaZed

    @JD ~ Of course there are famous and successful AAs. Anthony Hopkins comes to mind, Robert Downey Jr., Roger Ebert ~ some others. What these people also have is real lives and time-consuming fulfilling work. None of these people do AA busy work at all: sponsorship, endless meetings. They just spout the dogma but actually don't do the stuff that AA actually "suggests" that you do.

  • Lucy

    AnnaZed- Am enjoying your UFO avatar

  • AnnaZed

    http://www.originsrecovery.com/staff

    "… Degrees and training alone, however, are not enough to qualify for a position on our exclusive team. As importantly, each of our staff shares a vision of a core recovery philosophy a spiritual awakening as the result of the Twelve Steps."

    That just made me trow-up in my mouth a little. Jeez, I mean screw science right? A prerequisite for what is a probably a pretty good paying job in a high-end addiction treatment facility is adherence to a fringe religious cult.

    Poor Ted will never survive these bastards, never.

    This may sound like a not-so-nice assessment, but Ted is probably something of a grifter, sort of a con-artist light type of semi-criminal smooth talking his way from one situation to another. Entertainment is full of such personalities.

    The question is, does Ted's long life of conning and lying have to be sorted out for him to do voice-over work and have a job? Why?

    There are clips from Dr. Phil's show on Gawker so I saw him scowling with the AA style "get honest" mantra. Ted himself buys the AA thing to some degree with his talk of higher powers and the certain knowledge that he had that there would be no second chance for him unless he claimed "sobriety." So, he did what was necessary and he lied about that to get embraced in the first place. Now, he's going to "get honest" camp and no matter how good the food is he will be bombarded within an inch of his life with the 12-steps and will have to start making that amends list, and it will be long, long, long.

    Why should that be? I have a guy come in and do voice over for Craft Mac N Cheese. He sounds great. Because of all the buzz around him people recognize and respond to his voice, so that's good. Millions of people watch the commercial on TV and on YouTube because of the buzz around Ted (a commercial for heaven's sake! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy85lAKLasw with nearly a million YouTube hits). That's good advertising. That's money well spent. Why is it anyone's business whether he apologizes to his daughter or not?

    Oh no, that Dr. Phil bastard was in this situation like a rat up a drain. He knew that there would be hurt dysfunctional people and that is his idea of good TV, but is it good for Ted? Nothing would make better TV then for Ted to become a sputtering blubbering mess apologizing to everyone in sight which is pretty much what is happening now.

    How do people make amends for wrongs that they have done to others like abandoning them as children? It simply isn't possible, it's overwhelming. So, Ted will do the endless busy work of apologizing to the more peripheral people like the guy with the gas station that he used to hang out in front of in Ohio getting high and pissing in the bushes before this thing started (Btw that guy is seriously pissed off. If you find the interviews with him, he does not think this thing is so great). How did it somehow become a prerequisite to employment that people run around apologizing to everyone and debasing themselves? It's sickening.

  • AnnaZed

    For some reason the part of my post right before the YouTube link just disappeared. So, I am making even less sense than usual.

    I said:

    "…Why should that be? I have a guy come in and do voice over for Craft Mac N Cheese. He sounds great. Because of all the buzz around him people recognize and respond to his voice, so that's good. Millions of people watch the commercial on YouTube because of the buzz around Ted. (a commercial for heaven's sake! [insert commercial] with nearly a million YouTube hits)."

  • Tony J

    Gunthar2000 says This is a common AA message… Don’t try to succeed at anything because your ego will cause you to relapse. You need to be in recovery all of the time or you are doomed.

    Gunthar, when your sponsor told you not to think too much, he was right.

    Go back to sleep.

  • DeConstructor

    It seems to me I was told, authoritatively that a year in AA was the same as a 4 year college degree. I had already been to college by the time I was forced and coerced to the cult.

    Any organization that tells a person not to think is certainly not helping them. Suspension of critical thought does not ever make a person successful.

  • Gunthar2000

    Yeah Decon… How about that?

    When AA starts to make no sense we should just realize that it's not AA, it's our critical thinking skills that are clouding our judgment. What happens if we apply this kind of thinking to other areas of our lives?

  • Who is this nitwit in the video, and what was he ever famous for? He gave this horrible bit of misinformation at the end:
    “2% of the people who do stay clean & sober do it through something other than 12-step recovery”
    This is patently false. The NESARC data reported by Dawson et al shows that 75% of those who “recover” from dependence do so without ever going to a treatment program or 12-step meeting. So I don’t know where he gets that number. It may be that of the 25% who go through treatment, 2% aren’t involved in the 12-steps, but I think the number is actually slightly higher than that. And if by “clean & sober” he means abstinent (since the recovery culture refuses to recognize moderation as a successful outcome or even a possibility, then there’s still a significant percentage who remain abstinent without the 12 steps or treatment – far above his 2% figure.

    Among treated individuals :
    35% Abstain
    28.4% are still dependent
    36.5% are in between these two poles, still using, but not dependent.

    Among Un-treated individuals (the much larger group of those who have ever been dependent):
    12.4% Abstain
    23.8% are still dependent
    63.8% are in between those two poles, still using, but not dependent.

    Since there are approximately 3 times as many untreated addicts, then the real number of people who abstain without treatment or 12 steps is roughly equal to the number who achieve abstinence with treatment and/or 12 steps. This would mean that if we’re only counting abstainers, then 50% of formerly substance dependent people abstain without the 12 steps, and 50% do it with the 12 steps.

  • “What these people also have is real lives and time-consuming fulfilling work. ” AnnaZed

    Right on. This is what you’ll find with nearly all recovered people – they live their lives. The ones who spend their lives primarily focused on “recovery” are the ones who fail repeatedly at finding a stable reduction in substance use. It’s the difference between focusing on doing something and focusing on NOT doing something.

  • tintop

    tony j — your advice has not been requested, will not be heeded. And you know that it will not You are no position tot give advice to anyone, you never have have been you never will be.

    go back to your silly meetings and put on a show there.

  • causeandeffect

    JD and Tony J

    Quote from the 12 step Dr. from the article cited above

    Dr. Howard Samuels, the CEO of The Hills Treatment Center in Los Angeles, said he was not surprised to learn Williams was still drinking, given that the experienced “such an extreme from having nothing to having money and fame in such a short period of time.”
    Homeless guy reunites with mom

    “The hardest thing for an alcoholic is to have success,” Samuels said. “Because the alcoholic, on a very deep level, has a very difficult time with success.”

    Surely you’re not saying that you’re disagreeing with a 12 step Dr?

  • hulahoop

    @anna – Wow! That mac and cheese sure looks good! It made my mouth water.

    Speaking of Dr. Shill, we were just talking about the Mark Houston Rehab center the other day in this forum. You know, the $33000.00 that people spend to get brainwashed for three months? I saw this page on the website but didn't comment on it. It looks like Mr. Williams could possibly end up there unless Dr. Shill finds a better deal for himself from another rehab.
    http://www.markhoustonrecovery.com/dr_phil.php

  • Tony J –

    You said "You guys sit here and spend (I assume) hours a day thinking about AA and you have never even attempted to apply critical thinking. "

    That was an awful long post you made which leads me to the critical thinking that you are obsessed with this subject. You accused us of things on the post that you are guilty of also.

    1. Do you sit at home and think about AA all day long and think about ways to promote it by posting on web blogs?

    2. Don't you have anything better to do than scour the web trying to post on sites about the way you feel about AA?

    3. You are just as guilty of the things you are accusing us of , or are you in "Denial" about it?

    I want you to answer these questions (especially #3) with "Rigorous Honesty"and then make "Amends" .

  • Tony J

    jr :

    3. You are just as guilty of the things you are accusing us of , or are you in “Denial” about it?

    No, I'm not. I accused you of pretending to think critically while following someone elses narrative. I just mentioned that you spend hours a day thinking about AA because I would expect an intelligent person to come to understand his topic given that he spends so much ime with it.

    Reading comprehension is needed to apply critical thinking.

    Thank you for proving my point for me.

    "I want you to answer these questions (especially #3) with “Rigorous Honesty”and then make “Amends” ."

    And I want you to kiss my ass. So what ?

    Now take your buddy tinfoilhat out for a walk before he p's himself again. He's a mess.

  • Mike

    Tj, what's with the ass fetish? This seems to be a recurring theme with you.

  • tintop

    yes, tony does have an ass fetish. We wonder what that is about.

  • In a minute, I am going to ban everyone from the internet.

    OK, so I told TonyJ that he could post here on the condition that he refrain from bigoted ad hominem attacks. Similarly, ad hominems cannot be leveled against him. You have to quit it with the "you're drunk" or "you have an ass fetish."

    I do approve of "kiss my ass" or even "fuck off." But there shall be no speculation about someone's sexual preferences, sexual orientation, appearance, IQ, sobriety, race, gender…

  • Mona Lisa

    Thank you FTG.

  • Mike

    Sorry, ftg, I guess I was being an…..whoops /-8//

  • Good. I have released my stranglehold upon the internet, and everyone may roam freely once again.

  • Martha

    I apologize, that was not intended as homophobic slur.

  • tintop

    well, jr harris, time will tell on that one. We shall see.

  • Tony J

    Gunthar :

    “When AA starts to make no sense we should just realize that it’s not AA, it’s our critical thinking skills that are clouding our judgment. What happens if we apply this kind of thinking to other areas of our lives?”

    Gunthar, you are using your ‘critical thinking skills’ to come up with statements like this :

    “This is a common AA message… Don’t try to succeed at anything because your ego will cause you to relapse. You need to be in recovery all of the time or you are doomed.”

    Do you really think they’re doing you much good in ANY area of your life ?

    You guys sit here and spend (I assume) hours a day thinking about AA and you have never even attempted to apply critical thinking. What you imagine to be critical thinking is just you repeating mindlessly talking points you’ve read on this blog and others (like Master Orange’s).

    Trust me, your mental skills are not what you imagine them to be.
    you can’t get blood from a turnip.

    Decon :

    “It seems to me I was told, authoritatively that a year in AA was the same as a 4 year college degree. I had already been to college by the time I was forced and coerced to the cult.”

    It seems to me that you were told that ‘figuratively’ since there is no authoritative source for that kind of rhetoric. Feel free to correct me though.

    “Any organization that tells a person not to think is certainly not helping them. Suspension of critical thought does not ever make a person successful.”

    Really ? Ever played a sport ? A musical insturment ? How about the military ? Drive a car ?

    Plenty of activities require rote training as opposed to ‘critical thinking’ to execute successfully.

    Common sense really.

    If you follow the basic suggestions like calling your sponsor every day, going to a meeting, etc. Then when you have a weak moment you’re much more likely to fall back on the habits you’ve trained yourself in. That’s a proven method of success in any walk of life.

    Sure some people get carried away in AA for a while. Some even forever. Most people go hog wild for a few years and then either settle in to a routine or drift away.

    Besides, if you haven’t been able to use critical thinking to not drink up until now, why do you think it will all of a sudden work ?

    C+E :

    “The hardest thing for an alcoholic is to have success,” Samuels said. “Because the alcoholic, on a very deep level, has a very difficult time with success.”

    Surely you’re not saying that you’re disagreeing with a 12 step Dr?”

    Surely I must be saying just that.

    There is no such thing as a 12 step doctor, anyway. AA is non professional and ‘doctor’ is a professional/academic distinction.

    AA’s position would be something to the effect that “It’s very difficult on a very deep level for an alcoholic not to drink”.

    Actually, AA’s position would be that it’s impossible for a real alcoholic not to drink without help from a Higher Power.

    Success doesn’t have a damned thing to do with it. So, if the guy is an “AA doctor” he should go back and get a grasp on the basic material. Since he’s not an AA doctor but a Hollywood weenie, he says what he says and no one should be surprised.

    I just read AnnaZ say no one in Hollywood takes working with others seriously. I think that’s a generalization but…..that place is poised to fall into the sea for a reason. Let’s not assume Hollywood AA is real AA anymore than Hollywood life is real life.

  • tintop

    No thank you tony j. Your advice carries no weight here.
    Simply: You are not in any position to give anyone advice about anything. You never have been, you never will be.

    You are more trouble than you are worth.

  • Gunthar2000

    It’s this kind of abusive mind fucking that scares the Hell out of me.
    AA gurus learn early on that the way to get newcomers to conform is to try to make them feel inadequate and unsure of themselves.

    Okay Tony J… I realize now that I’ve never had an original thought in my life. Thank you for helping me to understand who I really am.

  • tintop

    tony j yes you are. You, simply, refuse to admit it. Which is your affair.

    Questions were put to you. You have not answered. Instead, you give evasions, proving your cowardice.

  • Martha

    My guess is that Tony is powerless over his ass fetish and is in denial about it.

  • tintop

    ftg, I implied nothing. I, merely, made note of an interesting remark.

  • tintop, You didn’t imply anything; you came right out and said it.

  • tintop

    I stand corrected

  • Back on the subject –

    Will Ted Williams be able to turn his life around with all of this publicity getting in his way?

    Will he “Get It”?
    Will he have to “Hit Bottom” again?
    Will he feel like he “Needs a Meeting” for the rest of his life?
    Will he turn into a “Dry Drunk”?

    Will he follow the 12 Steps and be doomed to this perpetuating cycle because that is what these steps are designed to do?
    Will Ted Williams end up another one of AA’s stories about being dead because the 12 Steps messed his head and life up so much, that he couldn’t take it anymore?

  • hulahoop

    Hell yes I think about this a lot. My time in AA was a life changing experience for me. It made me very, very, very angry. LIke kick someone in the nuts angry. If I want to spend some of my free time reading and posting here…that is my business. I do have valid reasons for the way I feel. No rude stepper who has no real social skills will make me feel any different. I express my opinions in an appropriate venue. At least I have some manners.

    If I choose to drink today, then so what? I will be fine as long as I don't drive or commit many of the crimes I've read about here. It will not be the end all and be all of my existance. If I choose not to drink today then great. That won't define me either.

    I did see the headlines about Mr. Williams. I knew the vultures would be circling him and would eventually zero in on the kill. It was not IF it was going to happen. It was a matter of WHEN.

    My issue is with all of the maggots coming out to feed on him. He will be nothing but an empty carcass after all is said and done. All of the opportunists who fed off him will be long gone counting their cash $$$$.

    Meanwhile, he will be the "it" rags to riches story. A poster child for the 12 step, rehab, AA movement. How many people will be deluded by what they see and take the same route? "It worked for Mr. Williams, so it will work for me too!" And if it doesn't work, he will be some easily forgotten flash in the pan. Yesterday's news. Nobody held accountable. Nobody held responsible. More people fed in to the cult system. I wonder how many follow up calls Dr. Shill will make to him. My guess is as long as the ratings hold out.

    I do not give money to homeless people. I offer to go get them something to eat. I used to offer to take them to the homeless shelter so they could get help when I drove a truck and they could ride in the back. I've been turned down every time. Cussed out a few times too. Mr. Williams had no problem using his God to prey on the goodness of people based on the sign he used . Now let's see what he does to pay it forward. Let's see what kind of example he will have set for him by all the well intentioned people who are trying to help him deal with his overnight fame. Let's see what kind of example he will set.

    Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. I am so making mac and cheese today.

  • SoberPJ

    " If I choose to drink today, then so what? I will be fine as long as I don’t drive or commit many of the crimes I’ve read about here. It will not be the end all and be all of my existance. If I choose not to drink today then great. That won’t define me either "

    Self-definition. How can anyone define themselves with their lowest life accomplishment and then expect an optimal outcome? How does stating "I am an alcoholic" for the rest of one's life actually create any kind of positive reinforcement? Short answer – it doesn't. Wow, having my identity defined by the fact that I drank too much at one point in my life seems kind of surreal the more I think about it. How the hell did I get talked into consistently degrading myself like that? I must forever remind myself of the negativity associated with drinking so that I don't forget how bad it was and succumb to the demon out in the parking lot. What rubbish. How about I learn to change the behavior and move on with my life? I choose to no longer be defined today by things that happened 20 years ago.

  • AnnaZed

    Hi Tony, First of all thanks a lot for toning down the tenor of your posts. I appreciate it.

    You said this though “…I just read AnnaZ say no one in Hollywood takes working with others seriously. I think that’s a generalization but…..that place is poised to fall into the sea for a reason. Let’s not assume Hollywood AA is real AA anymore than Hollywood life is real life.”

    First of all, I’m pretty sure that I didn’t say anything remotely like that, though you may have interpreted what I said that way. What I said was that in an AA environment that was in every way typical of AA as I have experienced it (in many locales from New York to LA and many points in between) the men and long time sober senior members ignored the risk to a bright eyed newly sober female of giving a ride in her car to an obviously floridly unstable drug-abuser while simultaneously telling her to place her trust in the group, to abandon rational thought and that she could use the group itself (literally) as a God (Group of Drunks).

    I am afraid that you are laboring under a misapprehension about what Hollywood really is. Hollywood is not Beverly Hills. Hollywood is an ugly urban wasteland that people in LA avoid at all costs. In fact Ted Williams would have been totally at home in Hollywood AA and hanging out with the local homeless nearby before his recent notoriety. Here are some photos:

    http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/dane/usa_-_summer_04/1090009680/homeless_man_in_front_of_hollywood_bank.jpg/tpod.html
    http://www.life.com/image/1319512
    http://laist.com/2008/11/27/a_different_take_on_shopping_carts.php
    Homeless Bust at Hollywood & Vine
    http://blogs.alternet.org/cityofangelsonalternet/2010/04/14/i-lived-in-a-car-in-l-a-with-a-teenage-daughter-and-survived-to-write-about-it-part-3/

    So, this was not a case of exceptionally superficial LA people ignoring the welfare of others. You would need to go to Malibu AA or Beverly Hills AA to get that special treatment and really there are no homeless drug addicts asking for rides to the bus station at those meetings. Homeless drug addicts aren’t even allowed on the streets in those areas to even get to the meetings. The meetings themselves are not in the directory and are essentially private clubs and everyone who attends meetings in those areas has a car so really no one is faced with that sort of dilemma anyway. I think that may be what you were alluding to in your post and Hollywood is the complete opposite of that.

  • AnnaZed

    Just an update that I noticed about Ted:
    http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/01/20/story-columbus-ted-williams-golden-voice-drugs-alcohol.html?sid=102
    Not that interesting or exciting beyond Ted calling Dr. Phil from rehab, but I did notice at the end that they say that he “was” scheduled to be on the show tomorrow (can’t tell from the lousy syntax if this is past tense) Williams was scheduled to appear on Friday’s Dr. Phil along with his girlfriend, who said she would return Williams to their drug and alcohol filled world in an instant.
    So, if Ted hadn’t “slipped” or been imbibing all along then the show would have been about his low companion instead? What a mess:
    http://www.examiner.com/pop-culture-in-cleveland/ted-williams-update-girlfriend-on-dr-phil-youtube-com-video-click-to-play-video-video
    Plus here’s a particularly harsh piece on Ted in the LA Times where he is called “just another lying crackhead,” which maybe is what he is:
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/15/local/la-me-banks-20110115

  • hulahoop

    ACK! My brain really does need a washing after watching “Dr.” Phil and Ted’s girlfriend. I don’t know what the girl has been through in her life or how she ended up where she is. I imagine she is very confused by what is happening. She said she is has been to rehab before and it felt like jail. Why is “Dr.” Phil trying to send her back to something that doesn’t work for her. Why doesn’t he offer her alternatives to what she has tried before? Why don’t we see him educating her about alternative to twelve step programs? Oh yeah, I forgot. That doesn’t mean ratings for him.

    “Dr.” Phil can kiss my ass. Fame whore. They spoke about this woman prostituting herself. “Dr.” Phil is the biggest prostitute of the worst kind. He has no right to judge. I hope she runs like a bat out of hell.

    Gift my ass. He said he would do everything in his power to prevent Ted from seeing her again if she does not do this. That sounds more like an ultimatum to me. The girl does not want to go back to rehab. I really wish she could have been more eloquent based on the clip I saw. Like giving it back to him and telling him that insanity is doing the same over and over again expecting a different result.

  • AnnaZed

    I’m not sure whether to applaud Ted on this move or not:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/01/24/2011-01-24_ted_williams_golden_voice_homeless_man_leaves_rehab_against_doctors_recommendati.html
    On balance, somewhat perversely, I think not. I am pretty sure that some time spent detoxing at the very least might be beneficial.

    The religious indoctrination is already present as I heard Ted spouting the “higher power” mantra from his very first appearances on the mass media radar. Of course, he was lying about all that, and frankly who can blame him He knew what the buzz-words were that he was required to produce to be accepted. Now, given that “fake it until you make it” is a featured part of this rigorously honest™ program I can see how someone like Ted might be confused about that.

  • tintop

    We do not know any of the particulars. We do not know why he went to that rehab; we do not know why he left. It was his decision to go there; it was his decision to leave.

    As for “Dr” Phil: I agree with hulahoop. He is, essentially, out for what he can get. How he gets what he wants, does not detain him: that is, whatever it takes.

  • AnnaZed

    Looks from this article http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/01/25/ted-williams-update.html like Ted did not cotton to being fodder for Dr. Phil’s cannons, or that’s what they say. I hope that he figures out a way not abuse himself with drugs or alcohol while he pursues this second chance at life for himself. If his family members are pissed off off at him, it’s not my business.

  • AnnaZed

    Ted update (the only one that I could find given that he has been dropped by the mainstream media): http://www.good.is/post/a-month-later-homeless-man-with-a-golden-voice-is-abandoned-by-his-corporate-friends/

  • I had found a teaser the other day, saying that Williams was going to give an interview about why he left re-hab, and it just never appeared. Never updated. That article makes me curious now about why it never appeared — it seems that he thought he was being railroaded into a contrived, bogus scenario (designed to benefit someone else).